Bob Owens

The saddest truth in politics is that people get the leaders they deserve

What you’ll see in the rebellion

Written By: Bob - Dec• 28•12

Let me explain, gun grabbers, how your confiscatory fantasy plays out. Let us imagine for a moment that a sweeping gun control bill similar to the one currently suggested is passed by the House and Senate, and signed into law by a contemptuous President.

Perhaps 50-100 million firearms currently owned by law-abiding citizens will become contraband with the stroke of a pen. Citizens will either register their firearms, or turn them in to agents of the federal government, or risk becoming criminals themselves. Faced with this choice, millions will indeed register their arms. Perhaps as many will claim they’ve sold their arms, or had them stolen. Suppose that as many as 200-250 million weapons of other types will go unregistered.

Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders. Perhaps 40-50 million citizens will view such a law as treason. Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.

They will be leaderless, stateless, difficult to track, and considering the number of military veterans that would likely be among their number, extremely skilled at sabotage, assassination, and ambush.

After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end “badly.” Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn’t particularly matter. What matters is that when illusion of the government’s invincibility and infallibility is broken, the hunters will become the hunted.

Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds,  but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.

Ironically, while the gun grab was intended to keep citizens from preserving their liberties with medium-powered weapons, it completely ignored the longer-ranged rifles perfect for shooting at ranges far beyond what a security detail can protect, and suppressed .22LR weapons proven deadly in urban sniping in Europe and Asia.

While the Secret Service will be able to protect the President in the White House, he will not dare leave his gilded cage except in carefully controlled circumstances. Even then he will be forced to move like a criminal. He will never be seen outdoors in public again. Not in this country.

The 535 members of the House and Senate in both parties that allowed such a law to pass would largely be on their own; the Secret Service is too small to protect all of them and their families, the Capitol Police too unskilled, and competent private security not particularly interested in working against their own best interests at any price. The elites will be steadily whittled down, and if they can not be reached directly, the targets will become their staffers, spouses, children, and grandchildren. Grandstanding media figures loyal to the regime would die in droves, executed as enemies of the Republic.

You can expect congressional staffs to disintegrate with just a few shootings, and expect elected officials themselves to resign well before a quarter of their number are eliminated, leaving us with a boxed-in executive, his cabinet loyalists trapped in the same win, die, or flee the country circumstance, military regime loyalists, and whatever State Governors who desire to risk their necks as well.

Here, the President will doubtlessly order the activation of National Guard units and the regular military to impose martial law, setting the largest and most powerful military in the world against its own people. Unfortunately, the tighter the President clinches his tyrannical fist, the more rebels he makes.

Military commands and federal agencies will be whittled down as servicemen and agents will desert or defect. Some may leave as individuals, others may join the Rebellion in squad and larger-sized units with all their weapons, tactics, skills, and insider intelligence. The regime will be unable to trust its own people, and because they cannot trust them, they will lose more in a vicious cycle of collapse.

Some of these defectors will be true “operators,” with the skills and background to turn ragtag militia cells into the kind of forces that decimate loyalist troops, allowing them no rest and no respite, striking them when they are away from their most potent weapons. Military vehicles are formidable, but they are thirsty beasts, in terms of fuel, ammo, time, and maintenance. Tanks and bombers are formidable only when they have gas, guns, and can be maintained. In a war without a front, logistics are incredibly easy to destroy, and mechanics and supply clerks are not particularly adept at defending themselves.

Eventually, the government will turn upon itself. The President will be captured or perhaps killed by his own protectors. A dictatorship will form in the vacuum.

If we’re lucky, the United States of America, or whatever amalgam results, will again try to rebuild. If we’re very lucky, the victors will reinstate the Constitution as the law of the land. Just as likely though, we’ll face fractious civil wars fought over issues we’ve not begun to fathom, and a much diminished state or states will result, perhaps guided by foreign interests.

It will not be pretty. There will be no “winners,” and perhaps hundreds of thousands to millions of dead.

Yet, this is the future we face if the power-mad among us are not soundly defeated at the ballot box before they affect more “change” than  we, the People, are willing to surrender to would-be tyrants.

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278 Comments

  1. linda says:

    I would say that is our first mistake.
    Thinking that we can defeat a regime at the ballot box.

    If that were true, we would not be in the mess today. For there has not been one elected president in recent years that I know of that has worked on behalf of the people.

    They all work for the same employer.

    Go here and read up on The One People’s Public Trust.
    The trustees say they have foreclosed on the cabal.

    It is up to the people now to assert their rights under the Constitution. Big changes are here.

    http://www.americankabuki.blogspot.com

  2. Bob says:

    I think that you have it wrong. The democrats are not trying to fast track a gun ban in Amerika. This is just part of their plan of inching toward it. They know that a proposed gun ban is unconstitutional and will be overturned before the ink is dry.

    They are asking for everything knowing full well that they will not get everything. They will however, get something. The Republicans will cave under pressure like the pussies that they are, because they always do. They will make some concessions and a very watered-down version will pass. There will be no confiscation, but it will be broader than the old AWB. Just inching along.

    They don’t really have to have a full ban on guns, they just need to make it too expensive and too burdensome with legal regulations to even bother owning a gun, but just a little at a time. The full ban will probably not come during my lifetime. I bet by that by the time that I die, it will be very difficult for my kids to inherit my guns.

  3. SSS0111 says:

    Ballot box huh?

    You are not awake. Sorry.

    The Sins of this Nation from the beginning of this Nation are now catching up with it. There is not stopping this.

    This Nation will not exist soon enough. It was a experiment you know. A failed one.

    In the end the Man in the White ole House is going to be ground into the dirt he came from, just like all the ones in DC, and elsewhere.

    You can only push People so far, and only expect them to take the raping so long.

    People always make a big issue out of all this. As if they are not going to die somehow anyway.

    I know longer care. I have nothing left to loose AT ALL. Never had much to begin with, and the US is nothing but a delusion anyway.

    I think the words of General Patton come to mind quite frankly.

    “e’re going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks.”

    At this point I view American politicians and civil servants no more or less than Patton viewed his enemy. Same ilk. Same trash. Same end for such ilk and trash. They are not Americans in my mind, or Consciousness, and will view them as the same Euro Trash that Patton so eagerly wanted to rip the living guts out off.

    0321 Recon.

  4. Bonzaibob says:

    A rebellion is what they want so they can “legally” kill us. I do think we are in a Culture War and we are loosing. I also do believe the True Americans will rise to the occasion because we are fed up with the Fed Government. It is truly bizaar crazy, dangerous times we live in. I do think we were born at this time for a specific reason and we are all about to find out. As a retired Vet I remember my Oath, I hope the rest of my brothers and sisters in arms do.

    • Chuck Pelto says:

      TO: Bonzaibob
      RE: The Killers

      A rebellion is what they want so they can “legally” kill us. — Bonzaibob

      Ever read Aesop’s fable of the Lamb and the Wolf?

      Once upon a time a Wolf was lapping at a spring on a hillside, when, looking up, what should he see but a Lamb just beginning to drink a little lower down. “There’s my supper,” thought he, “if only I can find some excuse to seize it.” Then he called out to the Lamb, “How dare you muddle the water from which I am drinking?”

      “Nay, master, nay,” said Lambikin; “if the water be muddy up there, I cannot be the cause of it, for it runs down from you to me.”

      “Well, then,” said the Wolf, “why did you call me bad names this time last year?”

      “That cannot be,” said the Lamb; “I am only six months old.”

      “I don’t care,” snarled the Wolf; “if it was not you it was your father;” and with that he rushed upon the poor little Lamb and ate her all up. But before she died she gasped out:

      “Any excuse will serve a tyrant.”

      In other words, they’ll make up an excuse to murder US. No matter what we do: resist or submit.

      Regards,

      Chuck(le)
      [History repeats itself. That's one of the problems with History.]

  5. Razer Ray says:

    If you “Responsibly” Supply ME with a gun I’ll do my patriotic duty to the people of the United States (NOT it’s Fascist government) and use it to blow your head off.

  6. Chuck Pelto says:

    My apologies for the double post. Don’t know how THIS one showed up at the bottom of page 3 when I was trying to reply to a post by Kenneth.

    I reposted it later and it DID show up properly as a reply to Kenneth.

  7. weather says:

    This article is a dreamer’s wish. It won’t happen like that. I am all for gun rights, but the US will not break down like this. This article is not listening to the voice of the Holy Spirit or his prophets and watchmen. If you want more detail in how this will all break down, go to qwakeup.org. There you can get a better grasp at what Heaven is saying and not just subjecting yourself to what men might think in their opinions.

  8. lars the spacepuppy says:

    Hopefully the first paranoid schizophrenic to lose his weapons is the delusionary author of this blog.

    • Really? says:

      I am confused.

      The author notes impending firearms confiscations to which you note his is “delusionary” but then go on to note that you hope he is the first to have his firearms confiscated.

    • sheepdog says:

      spacepuppy or is it space cadet.
      Whichever one it is obvious that you are one of the indoctrinated.

  9. Lucius Sulla says:

    It is time to begin the organization of the various conservative elements in this nation. Many social groups now exist without common voice or communication. This must be remedied.

    Unlike the left which utilizes both union forces that readily abandon their responsibilities to the greater good for their own agenda and gain, and the underemployed or unemployed – by their own device or decision; the right must rely upon those who, by their very nature, refuse to sacrifice their responsibilities and obligations that others may suffer for their benefit. By it’s very nature conservatism dictates that the business of the day MUST come before all else lest all come to suffer for it’s dereliction. Stated differently – conservatives get up, go to work, take care of business before all else. Revolution must occur after business hours. Herein lay the problems at the heart of the matter.

    The hard truth is that revolution is coming. We shall face open war – it is no longer a matter of if, only when.

    We must seek to join together in a manner that is the most beneficial. Many of us are now in the process of formulating plans of organitazion which will turn this stumbling block into an asset. It will take time, however.

    Until then I propose several simple steps that will aid in the overall organization process.

    1. Continue to like and share on Facebook and all other forms of social media.

    2. Join every social media site that shares a common conservative interest.

    3. Share every conservative site with all of your friends.

    4. Repost every articulate response and post you read from fellow conservatives – no matter how many times you read it. Copy and paste until your fingers bleed.

    5. Last and perhaps most important – search out conservative groups that share occupational ties and interests. If you are a lawyer then find a conservative lawyers group. If you are a Doctor then find a conservative Medical group. Conservative educators, engineers, mechanics, atheletes, laborers and any other group that you may belong to – find a like minded social group to join and communicate with.

    This will allow for two things – trade communications regarding your respective occupations (Obamacare and the medical field comes to mind) and quicker organization and identification of the various skill sets that will be needed after a revolution.

    First responders and military personel – this is EXTREMELY important for you. You will be the first line of resistance and our greatest asset. You are those that the government will turn to for confiscation and martial law. It is your firearms and waterhoses that will ordered onto your fellow citizens. Each and everyonè of you must endeavor to find conservative minded comrades in your various agencies. Only then will you have the support and fortitude to defy that which has been ingrained inside you – and stand, against orders, for your fellow countrymen.

    One last word – none of us need to wait until the rifle is our only option. Start today by simply exercising the words that you have read here – especially number 5. This is the first step of organization for revolution. It will allow those that have greater means and resources to access each and everyone of us when the time comes.

    Start by spreading these words if you agree.

    Victory or death.

    • Jereome says:

      Actually I see Victory taking another path. The problem with today’s society is that everyone spends so much time texting and facebooking that they have trouble actually TALKING and getting to really know people.

      You want to win this thing? Step out of the house for a change and get to know your neighbor. Get together and form groups with like minded Patriots and then go visit your town Mayor, your local police station and county Sheriff and remind them that they work for YOU. Remind them about the second amendment, and their oath to office. And tell them that you expect them to uphold the constitution as a department and that they NEED to be protecting fellow American’s from the BATF and Homeland Security or whatever other traitor organization comes to take the guns. Then demand that your city mayors and state legislatures enact legislation to make it a felony for government agents to enforce uncostitutional measures.

  10. Lucius Sulla says:

    What does victory mean to you?

    Many understand the war is inevitable. We must consider the grave consequences of the struggles to come.

    I have posed the question of war and sacrifice before. I now pose an equally critical question – what does victory mean to you? Moreover, what defines victory to you? What would you see achieved by a conservative victory in open war?

    The defining of victory is a more crucial requirement to revolution than the acceptance of revolution itself. In the vision of victory is found the path to execution. It is only when you can see the ending that you can navigate the beginning.

    Many conservatives now consider the cost of war but few have stopped to consider the course that it must take. This is what we must now do. Absent this we become an indistinguishable noise repleat with good intentions absent direction. We become a million seperate voices of unclear intent.

    What would you see above all else as the singular objective in the waging of war. What is the defining moment that would declare “victory is ours!”? It is when millions of our conservative countrymen collectively consider this question that clear objectives will emerge. Clear objectives lend a clear and singular voice to the heart of revolution that all of us can stand behind.

    Clear objectives give voice to a singular obective – victory – with a plan.

    Victory or death.

    Repost if you agree.

    • Jean says:

      As Patton said it re Patriotism:
      You make the oher poor SOB die for his country.
      My addition: Repeat until all of THEM are dead.

      Victory is then complete. For THIS generation – the same problems will occur again. Just like in Peter Pan, “All this has occurred before…” (And will again, though I forget the exact phrases.)

  11. Mike says:

    Square in the crosshairs of this rebellion will be the deportation of the united nations representatives, who use us as their personal sources of welfare.

  12. anne bright says:

    Read Vince Flynn’s first book “Term Limits”. Very interesting concept!

  13. Duckandcover says:

    “Never take your eyes off of the magician’s hands………..
     
    He could have stopped no background check gun shows with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.
     
    He could have stopped online gun purchases and ammo purchases with an Executive Order the day after he was re-elected or the day after the school tragedy……but he didn’t.
     
    He could have stopped the massive tidal wave of post tragedy gun purchases with an Executive Order…..but he has not. Instead….he makes comments about how the gun culture must change.. and change “soon”…
     
    He establishes a committee, with Joe Biden in charge (seriously), and tells everyone that he will give them A MONTH to come up with “actionable ideas”….
     
    But what has he really done?
     
    He has fabricated a totally illusory “market shortage” by declaring that there will be some date “very soon” where there will be “dramatic changes” to the “despicable gun culture” in America.
     
    Can you say “Oh my God…we have to go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy a buy a box of Twinkies because they won’t make them anymore…EVER!!!!” 
     
    I don’t even like Twinkies anymore but you bet you’re tail I beat it down to the local Hostess store to buy a few boxes “just in case” (they were all sold out….I guess all of that supply/demand BS was actually on target).  What the heck was I thinking?
     
    Anyway…..the point is….our fearless leader purposely created a situation which has guaranteed that the maximum number of weapons and the maximum amount of ammunition is now distributed out amongst the citizenry. Now, anyone from the most sophisticated collector down to the local village idiot now has, supposing they wanted one (or fifteen) in the first place, a gun. Same for ammo…want 50 rounds? You had the chance to get it.  Wanted 20,000 rounds? Ditto. The window is still open, too.
     
    The government, for some reason that they have yet to share with us, wants the citizens of this country to be armed to the teeth. The government could not have generated this type of private citizen weapon and ammo stockpiling even if they said “the Russians AND the Chinese will both attack us on January 30, 2013”.
     
    Instead….it was “I will implement whatever gun control plan Joe Biden comes up with by the end of January”….
     
    I am not sure we should be worried about the government trying to take away our guns in the near future. Perhaps, to the contrary, we should be wondering why they so effectively “led” us into becoming the most highly armed and stockpiled citizenry in history….. Kinda makes you think….what’s really coming our way?? ”
     
    Let me toss one out there:  Suppose for a moment that the some foreign country which buys our debt had said  “In order for us to buy up significant amounts of your country – and occupy it with our people – we need you (the United States) to disarm your people?”  Suppose, for a moment, that this was timed to the point where GDP is overtaken by National Debt (in other words, right about Now).
     
    Wouldn’t it be curious if the (unnamed foreign country) tried to – in effect – foreclose on America for blowing up our monetary system (debasing it by allowing money to be created effectively out of thin air) and then foisting it off on country X which would be properly pissed about such events?
     
    But given that America’s government offices are all locked up tighe and well-defended with all those government ammo buys, and given that the American public has cleaned out almost every gunshop in the country…..well, it’s like a well-executed poison pill defense, isn’t it?
     
    Want to foreclose on America?  Good luck.

    • Bill says:

      Except that the people who bought up the weapons don’t trust the government. That’s the very reason they were bought.

      Trust is earned. They’re deficit spending in more than just dollars.

    • Jereome says:

      The people in charge aren’t doing this for America’s benefit. The truth is that the powers that be, want a civil war to break out in America. In fact they have been planning on it.. i.e. 1.6 billion hollow points that were purchased by the fed’s.

      Also all you have to do is look at the rhetoric that is being generated by the Media. On the right side you have the gun grabbers are going to get your guns, this will be another 1776. While on the left you have these people are crazy, they and their children need to be shot. etc..

      Couple this with an economic collapse and possibly a start to WW3 and you will have the populations of the world clamoring for Wold Government to save them.

    • sharon says:

      The general public did not go out and buy up all the guns after the President’s speech, they went out before then and bought all the guns after the Sandy Hill shooting. as reported on msnbc.

  14. Tom Best says:

    Regardless of the outcome of the Left’s gun grab and the ultimate fate of our nation, all you need to learn how to spell “losing”…it’s not “loosing,” as in making something more loose…it’s “losing,” which is the opposite of winning. Sorry…it’s a pet peeve…can’t believe how many educated people make that mistake. :-)

    • tonybinca says:

      LOL, I’m also dog tired of seeing the word led written as lead. I’m no English teacher, but come on!

  15. Jereome says:

    I hear defeatist say that there is no way that we can win against tanks, airplanes etc.. But what the cowards fail to realize that in this warfare LOGISTICS and SUPPORT will be the key to winning this fight.

    For example:
    1. The biggest vulnerability to a tank besides the large amount of fuel it consumes is the lack of visibility that it has when all of its hatches are down. Inside of the tank the operators see the outside through a handful of eye slits that are around 2 inches high by 5 – 6 inches wide. Meaning they have a hell of alot of dead spots that they cant see out of. Now if lets say some people sneak on to the base and scratch the hell out of the viewing ports out of all the tanks, or splinter the glass with sledge hammers… guess what the solders will effectively be blind and no longer be able to hunker down inside for protection or fire its main gun effectively. At this point any patriot with a nice hunting rifle would be able to take out a tanks crew.
    2. Or how bout a plane? They have to land eventually. One sledgehammer to the cockpit and the planes instruments is all it takes to make a plane grounded.

    The key to these 2 examples is that our military is fighting with OLD equipment that breaks down very often and SUPPORT has a hard time keeping up with what is breaking down now and often it takes weeks to get the parts to get something back up and running. Now imagine how swamped the Aircraft mechanics would be if a group of patriots disabled 100 air planes on top of what normally had to be repaired to normal wear and tear? They wouldnt be able to keep up with it.

    Now another example would be supplies. The majority of military supplies at this time would come through railroads or by plane. The highway system will not be viable to them due to all of the checkpoints that would be installed to curb the uprising. Now we cant do much to the Airplanes but Train’s we can easily handle. This country has thousands of miles of railroad tracks which would be impossible to guard. Imagine patriots with chainsaws knocking down trees on the tracks or other patriots with blow torches or hacksaws actually destroying the tracks..

    Literally nothing would move in this country. Then of course the only action the federals would be able to do is clamp down harder, harder and harder until they have to call in foreign troops to put down the rebellion and at that point its over. Those unwilling to fight our own government would think differently about fighting a foreign invader.

  16. Michael K says:

    I would just like to say a few things. First off, I am for an assault weapon ban and I am for smaller magazines. I am not for banning all guns because many people truly need them for safety. If any “gun ban” or “gun law” in instated, why would people form regimes against the President? It’s a idiotic move because if you comply with the new laws to simply see if gun violence will be curbed, Obama will be gone in 4 years anyway. Why ruin our country by creating hostile environments for all of us normal people. We all know it is wrong to kill at least us sane people do. If anyone starts a regime or goes after any member of the government, shame on you and you are not a patriot. You will have contributed to the death of America as we know it. All the democrats want, is stricter gun laws because real people are dying, it’s a real problem. If you would at least give it a chance you’d see the end result. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. If it does, okay, Obama will be gone in 4 years anyway. If it doesn’t work, well then you can laugh at Obama as he leave. I’m almost ashamed to live in the US nowadays. It’s like the NRA doesn’t care people are dying. Is it just guns? NO! Mental Health is an issue and sure, the glorification of murder in entertainment adds to it to. If anyone remembers the saying “Don’t let a few bad apples spoil the bunch,” well the few bad apples are the ones who will form regimes. They are ruining the lives of innocents all across the US. If you really love you gun so much, shove it up your a$$ and f*ck yourself with it.

    • Sharon says:

      Michael, you make a valid point about trying out the assault gun ban. The problem comes when you review history of how sneaky gov’ts can be in passing laws. We are not afraid of an assault gun ban, we are only reacting to what they will try to pass next, once they get their toes in the door.
      ”A LITTLE GUN HISTORY: In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
      China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
      Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
      You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

    • Robo says:

      It’s been tried before and did nothing. I repeat…NOTHING!!! The law was allowed to sunset. The assault weapons ban in California has done NOTHING! The assault weapons ban in Connecticut has obviously done NOTHING! Training and arming law abiding citizens and allowing concealed carry has lowered violent crime everywhere it’s been implemented. The Clackamas mall shooting in Oregon stopped at two people because a concealed carry permit holder was armed and the shooter saw him taking aim. He then ran and hid taking his own miserable life. Never heard that on the national news did you? Rifles killed fewer people than hammers, knives and rocks last year. You talk about wanting to deal with the problem. The solution is more armed and trained law abiding citizens not more phony gun control laws. The idea is as repugnant as limiting the right to free speech.

    • sheepdog says:

      You poor delusional , stupid, led by the tongue, liberal pi$$-wart! You talk about being one of the “sane” people and than proceed to rant about being in favor of a ban on a weapon that you can’t even define. “Assault Weapon”? Just what is that other than a politicians wet dream? You really swallow it hook, line and sinker don’t you?
      YOU are the problem with this country. Not Obama, but clowns like you that voted for the commander in thief. To consider yourself normal is delusional.

      • golding4 says:

        Sheepdog….You put a smile on my face, but you forgot to tell the worm that we need equal guns to off set a tyrannical government, and that my friend, is what the real 2nd amendment is all about, it’s not about just owning a gun, for hunting and cleaning, they are a deterrent to the government that comes to your door to collect your guns and enslave you.

  17. JW M says:

    The first mistake was letting stand the National Firearms Act of 1934. Things have been going down hill since then.

  18. Bill says:

    You gun nuts really are pathetic losers, but you do have quite an imagination, I will give you that. You sit around and weave these elaborate fantasies about civil wars, armed resistance, guerilla tactics to take out infrastructure, glorious revolution where you’re the hero. Will one of those slutty bikini models from a gun magazine be waiting for you when you finally kill the last federal agent and take DC?

    If the federal government wants your guns registered, they’ll register your guns. Sure, some of the gun nuts won’t comply, and you’ll eventually be pulled over and get a $200 ticket for an unregistered firearm, you’ll refuse to mail in the check, the ticket will go to a collections agency and mess up your credit score, etc. We’ll see some drunk racist hicks in a standoff with the local police on the news. That’s nothing new.

    Maybe one or two of you will pull some Timothy McVeigh stunts, sure. Timothy McVeigh thought he was ‘a hero of the revolution’ too. He was also a sad, lonely, pathetic man. Just like many of you.

    Here’s the reality, guys: Minor gun safety measures are coming. The rest of America will move on. They’ll get over a little extra paperwork at gun shows. You might have to change mags a little more often when you’re playing GI Joe on the weekends with your gun buddies. But you can still play GI Joe.

    And when you and your buddies are good and drunk you’ll still fantasize about civil war, about glorious resistance, and about the bikini models from your gun magazines.

    But that’s all this is, guys. A pathetic fantasy. There isn’t going to be a Glorious Revolution. There isn’t going to an Epic Battle. You can sit here and work yourselves into a lather all day long, but it’s nothing more than a pitiful, limp circle jerk.

    • Molon Labe says:

      Fantasies about civil war and revolution? More like a nightmare. I don’t know how old you are. I don’t know where you’re from. But don’t kid yourself. History repeats itself. We know this to be true. It’s true because people forget the lessons of history and repeat the mistakes. As far as civil war and revolution are concerned… WE HAVE ALREADY HAD ONE OF EACH. In our short time as a nation we have also witnessed a Hitler and a Stalin and many lesser, cruel tyrants you may care to name. Banning guns and registering all gun owners are not MINOR safety measures, they are tyranny. Period. If you can’t see that, then you do not have a full grasp of your freedom, rights, and liberties as a free american. Instead you would sell these precious things that people died to give you, for the false promise of safety. Thus helping pave the road to ruin. Watch the Star Wars movies? Did you root for the Empire or the rebels? Rooting for gun control is rooting for the EMPIRE. There are over 4 million NRA members. We’re not pathetic. We’re cops, firemen, doctors, lawyers, carpenters, mechanics, electrictians, ect… ect… Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one. But, you can’t have mine. EVER.

    • Beeswax says:

      There are 60 – 80 million gun owners in the US. They are preparing for what everyone can feel coming. Some might be fantasizing about an epic battle, but some plan on working alone. They are collecting info on gun grabbers; gun grabbers live, work, about their families and friends. When the spark is lit, millions of gun owners will act in accordance with their conscience. Then may God help us all. It is coming. Anyone with their ear to the ground, knows that 3.5 million new guns weren’t sold since the election simply to be handed over to the government.

      Remember those 60-80 million gun owners. That’s more than the 1.5 million law enforcement officers of all kinds in the US. Much larger than the US 2.3 million active and reserve military personnel. The question becomes what will the government if only a quarter of all gun owners resist? How will the government implement their new gun laws?

  19. Gatnos says:

    An all out violation of the 2nd Amendment (that which retains the power to the people) will result in one or all of the following: If by Executive Order then impeachment proceedings by Congress, failure of Congress to act could result in a military Coup de tat. The States may act to call for a Continental Congress forming a new central government with a revised Constitution that has more teeth than the one we inherited. Our current Constitution has one flaw, it assumes that honorable, patriotic people would hold office. Unfortunately, our federal government is full of crooks willing to destroy our liberty for the advancement of their own power. We should not and can not rely on the Supreme Court to right this wrong as evidenced by their decision on Obamacare.

    • Steve says:

      Hi Gantos,

      Would you consider a ban on any new sales of assault rifles to be an all-out violation of the 2nd Amendment? Also, if the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to sufficiently arm the population against tyrannical overreach by the Federal Government, do you consider the current ban on fully-automatic weapons an all-out violation of the 2nd Amendment?

      On Executive Order: In 1989 then President Bush used an executive order to ban the import of certain assault rifles, using existing legal authority granted by the 1968 Gun Control Act. This was a legal exercise of his Executive authority granted by the Constitution.

      That doesn’t mean that a President has the executive authority to create ANY gun control measures he wants to, but there are SOME gun control measures that can, constitutionally, be enacted by executive order of the President, under authority of existing law. Even by President Obama.

      Impeachment: Let’s say President Obama attempted to create gun control measures via executive authority that some members of Congress felt were especially egregious, unconstitutional, out of line, etc.

      First off, if the executive order was blatantly unconstitutional they could simply wait for the Supreme Court to strike it down. This is what normally happens.

      But say they wanted to Impeach the President instead. Only 2 Presidents in history have been impeached, so it’s very rare, but given the current political climate it wouldn’t be a huge surprise.

      The power to impeach a President is held by the House of Representatives, and they can impeach a President by a simple majority vote. Since the Republicans have a solid majority in the House, there’s really not much stopping them.

      However, Impeaching a president is just indicting him. It’s nothing more than bring formal charges against the President and approving the case to go to trial.

      The ‘trial’ is then conducted in the US Senate. After the trial the Senate votes on the matter, and it takes a 2/3 supermajority to find the President guilty (which kicks him out of office). This would require 67 votes in current Senate. The GOP only has 45 votes, and there’s about zero chance the Senate Democrats are going to kick their own President out of office. The Republicans have only had a supermajority in the Senate one time since reconstruction, and that was back in 1907, so chances of them getting a supermajority in 2014 are also about zero.

      Long story short: Obama won’t be getting kicked out of office via Impeachment for issuing any executive orders on gun control.

      And do you honestly think the US Military would seriously attempt a coup d’etat to overthrow the US Government, much less pull it off successfully, just on account of an unpopular Presidential order? There have been plenty of controversial gun control actions taken in the past, and plenty of controversial supreme court decisions, and nothing remotely approaching a military coup even came close to starting, let alone succeeding.

      As far as the States tearing up the current Constitution and writing a new one, it just ain’t going to happen, not over some moderate gun control controversies. Since 1787 we’ve gone through world wars, invasions, assassinations of Presidents, depressions, recessions, Amendment fights, and controversies to numerous to list.

      The only time anything remotely approaching a new Constitutional Congress occurred was during the Civil War, and that was over a wrenching debate about the brutal enslavement of 4M human beings, and the entire economic and social foundation of half the States in the Union. Even then the Constitution wasn’t thrown out. I know to you gun control is an important issue, but are Americans really going to vote to throw away the Constitution over some fairly minor changes to regulations over firearms? It’s just not going to happen.

      This is life in a democracy/republic, Gantos. Nobody can get 100% of what they want, 100% of the time. Sometimes laws are passed that you like. Sometimes laws are passed that you don’t like. Every 2 years you get to vote to correct it.

      There will ALWAYS be disagreements about how the Constitution applies to different laws and different situations, about what the President and Congress can and can’t do, about how certain Amendments apply to different situations. At the end of the day, the Supreme Court gets to make the final determination. Some decisions you’ll agree with, and some you won’t, and you can ‘kick the bums out’ if you’re upset enough.

      If people want to completely overthrow the entire government, violently or otherwise, every time there’s a decision they don’t like, we’ll end up in a perpetual state of violent, lawless anarchy and chaos, and then we’ll REALLY see some egregious violations of human rights and property rights.

  20. Sixth Estate says:

    As an actual active duty member of a branch of the U.S. Armed Forces, I have to say that this is the most hilarious thing I’ve read in weeks. I printed this page and the comments out to show my squad mates and we’re having a pretty grand time mocking this.

    The biggest questions raised by your screed Mr. Owens are “Have you ever served in the military?” and “When will you be getting the mental health assistance you so desperately need?”

    Some of my own questions follow.

    Do you know that the military is mostly made up of grunts who will never see combat? How much counter-insurgency training do you think the average mail clerk or truck driver receives in a year? How about the doctors, or lawyers, or dentists, or chow line workers, or maintenance techs or equipment operators? How many of them are going to be willing to abandon their duty and their families to whip your little rag tag band of pasty middle-aged men in to some sort of out-of-breath “Delta Force” super soldiers? What are they going to teach you, how to route letters between APO offices? How to properly inflate the tires on an 8X8? The wrench you use when you’re pulling up the skirts on an M1?

    No, I don’t think your paranoid fantasies are anything but little movies in your head where you are the hero, fighting for Truth, Justice, and not having to pay taxes.

  21. Mike says:

    A word of advice: seek professional help.