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	<title>Comments on: Forget bans; where are my Constitutionally-protected suppressed machine guns?</title>
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		<title>By: thebronze</title>
		<link>http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/forget-bans-where-are-my-constitutionally-protected-suppressed-machine-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-45284</link>
		<dc:creator>thebronze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/forget-bans-where-are-my-constitutionally-protected-suppressed-machine-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-44991</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil -- gun control is to the 2nd Amendment what &quot;prior restraint&quot; is to the 1st.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8212; gun control is to the 2nd Amendment what &#8220;prior restraint&#8221; is to the 1st.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/forget-bans-where-are-my-constitutionally-protected-suppressed-machine-guns/comment-page-1/#comment-44989</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Franklin quote -- at least the second half -- was quite popular with the left in the years 2001-2009. Can&#039;t imagine what changed that it&#039;s suddenly fell out of their repertoire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Franklin quote &#8212; at least the second half &#8212; was quite popular with the left in the years 2001-2009. Can&#8217;t imagine what changed that it&#8217;s suddenly fell out of their repertoire.</p>
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		<title>By: Viktor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viktor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iconoclast,
Where you draw the &quot;line&quot; is arbitrary.  As is everyone else&#039;s &quot;line&quot; unless there is a clear, explicable rationale for drawing said &quot;line&quot; in one place and not another.

WMD are a line in and of themselves.  They are characterized and addressed differently than conventional weapons even among modern nation-states.  I don&#039;t even know why that line was drawn (perhaps the indiscriminate nature of their effects), but drawing the line there -- right there and no lower -- might at least present some degree of consistency in how different weapons are treated.  

If you, or anyone else, want a line drawn somewhere well below the destructive power of WMD, then some logical premise for drawing that line in a particular place MUST be provided; or it&#039;s just an arbitrary distinction founded upon nothing more than an emotion-based opinion.

Personally, I suspect that maybe there is a line somewhere along the continuum between one&#039;s fists and a nuclear warhead.  However, I have no idea where that line would be, or how to justify one line over another.

There may well be a logical argument for a particular bright line to be drawn; but I&#039;ve never heard one presented .... only PRESUMED.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iconoclast,<br />
Where you draw the &#8220;line&#8221; is arbitrary.  As is everyone else&#8217;s &#8220;line&#8221; unless there is a clear, explicable rationale for drawing said &#8220;line&#8221; in one place and not another.</p>
<p>WMD are a line in and of themselves.  They are characterized and addressed differently than conventional weapons even among modern nation-states.  I don&#8217;t even know why that line was drawn (perhaps the indiscriminate nature of their effects), but drawing the line there &#8212; right there and no lower &#8212; might at least present some degree of consistency in how different weapons are treated.  </p>
<p>If you, or anyone else, want a line drawn somewhere well below the destructive power of WMD, then some logical premise for drawing that line in a particular place MUST be provided; or it&#8217;s just an arbitrary distinction founded upon nothing more than an emotion-based opinion.</p>
<p>Personally, I suspect that maybe there is a line somewhere along the continuum between one&#8217;s fists and a nuclear warhead.  However, I have no idea where that line would be, or how to justify one line over another.</p>
<p>There may well be a logical argument for a particular bright line to be drawn; but I&#8217;ve never heard one presented &#8230;. only PRESUMED.</p>
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		<title>By: Viktor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viktor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info Paladin; but doesn&#039;t it seem odd that a machine gun should cost $10k?

I did a quick google search and found this:

http://www.autoweapons.com/pagelinks/buyandsell.html

It has some relevant facts; but the one that caught my eye was the last one:

&quot;No new machine guns can be made, as per the 1986 ban. We have to keep trading the ones already out there.&quot;

That&#039;s hardly the type of freedom to purchase and own something that Bob is talking about.  You can hardly have the right to own a thing when the right to manufacture it has been taken away.  The 1986 ban is as unconstitutional as a ban on semi-auto would be.  As unconstitutional as confiscation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Paladin; but doesn&#8217;t it seem odd that a machine gun should cost $10k?</p>
<p>I did a quick google search and found this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.autoweapons.com/pagelinks/buyandsell.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.autoweapons.com/pagelinks/buyandsell.html</a></p>
<p>It has some relevant facts; but the one that caught my eye was the last one:</p>
<p>&#8220;No new machine guns can be made, as per the 1986 ban. We have to keep trading the ones already out there.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s hardly the type of freedom to purchase and own something that Bob is talking about.  You can hardly have the right to own a thing when the right to manufacture it has been taken away.  The 1986 ban is as unconstitutional as a ban on semi-auto would be.  As unconstitutional as confiscation.</p>
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