Bob Owens

The saddest truth in politics is that people get the leaders they deserve

Are California Democrats creating ground zero for the next revolutionary war?

Written By: Bob - Feb• 08•13

Completely blind to the outrage of New York’s citizens and law enforcement officers and the brewing revolt in the Empire State over Governor Andrew Cuomo’s unconstitutional NY SAFE Act, California Democrats are looking to raise the gun control bar even higher:

All semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines would be banned, all guns would be registered and no ammunition could be bought without a special permit in California under a sweeping list of bills rolled out Thursday by state Senate Democrats.

The 10-bill package constitutes the single largest gun control push in decades in the Golden State, which already boasts some of the nation’s strictest gun laws. It joins equally controversial proposals from Assembly Democrats that would regulate and tax ammunition sales and consider taking the state’s 166,000 registered assault weapons from their owners.

The proposals constitute a direct assault on the Second Amendment of the United States, and are attempting to outlaw the very kind of firearms the Founders explicitly want protected, those arms of contemporary military utility for militia use.

The full list of laws includes:

A bill by Steinberg would ban future sale, purchase, making, importing or transfer in California of any semi-automatic rifle that takes a detachable magazine, by adding such guns to the state’s list of banned assault weapons. Another Steinberg bill would require ownership records for all guns; California now keeps only handgun and assault weapon records.

Hancock’s bill would ban possession — not just manufacture and sale — of large-capacity magazines holding more than 10 rounds.

State Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, has reintroduced a bill to ban “bullet button” kits that let gun owners effectively sidestep the distinction between detachable and fixed magazines for semi-automatic rifles. Another Yee bill would require that guns be properly locked and stored when their owners aren’t present, but that bill wasn’t included on Steinberg’s list Thursday.

That list also included bills that would:

  • Require anyone wishing to buy ammunition to first get a permit by passing a background check, as Los Angeles and Sacramento already do.
  • Update the definition of a banned shotgun with a revolving cylinder to include the new technology of a shotgun-rifle combination.
  • Prevent unregulated gun loans, with some exceptions, including hunting, in order to keep weapons from those who haven’t passed background checks.
  • Require all handgun owners obtain a safety certificate every year, rather than the every-five-years requirement for purchases of new handguns.
  • Prohibit anyone barred from owning a weapon from living in a home where weapons are kept and to expand the list of crimes for which convictions result in being barred from gun possession.
  • Let the state Justice Department use money from the state’s Dealer’s Record of Sale system to eliminate the backlog of people identified as no longer allowed to own guns but not yet investigated and contacted by law enforcement.

In effect, California Democrats are looking to ban every common semi-automatic rifle, outlaw the ownership of standard magazines entirely, ban the popular Taurus Judge revolver, prevent individuals from allowing friends and relatives to fire legal guns, force handgun owners through bureaucratic hoops every year to merely maintain legal possession of their guns (the obvious intent is to make handgun ownership prohibitive), would eliminate the Second Amendment rights of anyone living with someone who is a banned person, and hire more CA DOJ employees to confiscate an ever-growing list of prohibited persons.

Gene Hoffman of Calguns Foundation notes that the proposed laws are “wildly unconstitutional,” and assures Californians that the laws will be over-ruled by the Supreme Court.

Let’s hope we get that far.

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46 Comments

  1. Ali_Gator says:

    Don’t children fall in the catagory of “banned” persons? So it could be interpreted that if you have children in your home, you may not have a gun.

    Also, a citizen who happens to be married or living with a foreigner who has not established legal residence will also be prohibited. I never realized you could punish an innocent person for someone else’s wrong doing. We used to say that sort of thing only goes on in the Soviet Union.

  2. Straw Dog says:

    There’s no point arguing this mess chapter and verse, since it’s all one pile of junk gun law in California. This kind of thing only stands where the voters stand for it. I learned years ago that once a good gun owner leaves California he can’t go back. So be it. By the way, since Barrett Company refuses to sell its firearms in California because of the Draconian controls on the public, one wonders where Mr. Dorner managed to get his Barrett 50-cal. to menace police with. All their gun control appears to have been impotent where it counted.

    • Rob Crawford says:

      In his “manifesto”, after he calls for more gun bans, he brags about having access to banned weapons. He doesn’t seem to understand the disconnect.

  3. pat says:

    “Prohibit anyone barred from owning a weapon from living in a home where weapons are kept and to expand the list of crimes for which convictions result in being barred from gun possession.”

    This could also technically mean ANYONE who hasn’t gone through the state’s background check system. If you have to pass a background check to own a gun, then by definition if you haven’t gotten this background check then you are defacto banned from owning guns. Therefore EVERYONE in the household would need to pass a background check for one gun to be in the house. Thank God I live in Texas right now.

  4. Treker says:

    If you want to bring the pot to the boil you turn up the heat . Well the Democrats have cranked over the oven dial to high. Let’s see just what happens now . My fingers are crossed that this passes as soon as possible.

    • Tucker says:

      It is my sense that these leftist, Communist Democrats are exhibiting clear signs of interpreting the results of the November 6th election as some kind of gigantic intravenous injection of 180 proof refined heroin.

      These Bolshevik rats apparently believe that they’ve won the final battle between Tyranny and Liberty and they intend to go full throttle on their lust to recreate the USSR right here in North America, despite the fact that approximately half the population of this nation did not support their Commie in Chief’s re-election.

      Well, these communists are playing with fire here, but that’s not necessarily a negative thing. We need to bring this conflict to a head and solidify the lines of demarcation.

      Secession is the solution. The only unanswered question is can we get there without shedding lots of blood?

  5. Paul says:

    Gene Hoffman of Calguns Foundation notes that the proposed laws are “wildly unconstitutional,” and assures Californians that the laws will be over-ruled by the Supreme Court.

    That may be optimistic. We’ll see.

  6. Chief661 says:

    I swear let these asshats come and take mine. May God help the cop(s) who show(s) up. This is the line in the sand they will not cross with me. Not one more round, weapon or magazine. I have less than one year until I can retire if push comes to shove. I can’t wait to leave this shit hole they call California and go back home.

    • Berzrkr50 says:

      I’m with you. I have 3 1/2 and that seems like a long time. I’ll give my tax money to the state where the adults live!

  7. UndercoverInLA says:

    We are fast approaching a point of no return. I am a law-abiding responsible father, husband an gun owner, and I will not be pushed toward the ovens one step further. It’s time to start preparing our minds for what we may have to do. God help us.

    • UndercoverInSacto says:

      Amen, brother.

    • UnderCoverInOC says:

      Here,s what I just sent to my Reps. Hope you do the same…

      Hello,
      I’d like to hear where you stand on he proposed legislation that state democrats unveiled this past week regarding gun control. It appears they seek to almost entirely disarm the citizens of our great state. I vehemently disagree with these proposals and hope you do as well.

      Perhaps you could introduce your own proposed legislation requiring state citizens to submit to background checks and show photo ID while exercising ALL rights protected under the federal constitution (voting, practicing religion, protesting, going on strike, etc) and not just the second amendment. Lets try to keep it fair.

  8. Parker says:

    I see a vast, multi-billion, black market developing in California rivaling the contraband drug market. Apparently, no one in the golden state (or any state controlled by democrats) learned anything from the 18th amendment. Where there is the will, there is a way.

    • Phoenix says:

      Sure, guns will always be available for the “wrong people”, It’s just law-abiding “good people” that need to worry.

      I bet gun related crime goes up in California.

      Between second amendment issues and Obamacare about to be implimented…CHAOS is about to rule the land.

      • Parker says:

        Chaos will not, IMO, favor the leftists. Read Unintended Consequences by John Ross. It provides the game plan. Once the game begins one by one, two by two we take them down. Silent, untraceable methods is the way.

      • john says:

        Parkers right. I just finished “unintended” and I believe we’ll see those actions sooner than later.

      • Berzrkr50 says:

        Parker: I’m reading that book right now. It’s worth a read for any gun owner!

    • Phoenix says:

      They’re going to try to overwhelm us. California is just a start…overwhelm the courts.

      It’s like they’re trying to get something started. Violence will validate their position.

      Be smart, It’s chess not checkers.

      I don’t think chaos works to their advantage either..

  9. Pubius says:

    What they’ve done is gather up a laundry list of every anti-gun rule and regulation they have ever dreamed of and put it out there with maximum fanfare.

    They’re perfectly prepared to see 99% of this whittled away and watered down. Because at the end of the day, if any of it gets into law, they’ve still moved the zero point in their direction. And this holds true so long as the Supreme Court doesn’t knock it down entirely.

    Also, simply as a tactic, throwing this many items into the ring gives them many, many points on which they can bargain, compromise, horsetrade, and all those other debating tricks that might well yield them more than the 1% gain that’s acceptable.

    A state government that engages in politics like this will have no hesitation whatever in rolling over anyone in their way. And that goes for matters other than firearms.

    Not a good time to be in, or of, California but maybe it’s time to be from California.

  10. Phoenix says:

    FBI: Calif. Man Hoped to Incite ‘Civil War’ by Framing ‘Anti-Government’ Right-Wing Groups for Terror Attack

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/08/civil-war-california-man-planned-to-frame-anti-government-right-wing-groups-in-bank-bomb-plot/

    We are about to be inundated with stories like this…

    It’s full-court press from here on out. Like I said, the war has already begun….on the internet.

  11. Thomas says:

    I say pass it nationwide. Lets get this party started while im still young.

  12. Jay352 says:

    We have been sold down the river on almost every instance by the SCOTUS. It is up to us , we the people to judge the constitutionality of a law. We’ll see what happens if they pass it. Road trip anyone?

  13. MSO says:

    The gun-grabbers are trying to overwhelm the gun owners and their lobbyists, such as the NRA. New York, California, Minnesota, Illinois and other states are proposing and passing legislation simultaneously as a legal strategy.

    The gun owners will be unable to mount an effective counter attack with their resources so diluted. Many of these bans include felony sanctions to ensure that gun owners comply. The Supreme Court will take their sweet time to resolve these cases. During this time, many weapons will be confiscated and destroyed; many manufacturers will be put out of business.

    Even if the Supreme Court rules these laws unconstitutional, the damage will already have been done.

  14. styrgwillidar says:

    I live in CA, the last time I got called to jury duty I really struggled with the concept of judging a person brought up on charges by a state government which openly ignores and subverts the law (aids and abets illegal immigrants in avoiding federal prosecution, the numerous sanctuary cities etc.) And many of those folks are gang members or repeat DUI offenders who go on to kill people, which deportation would have prevented.

    Now this. I wonder what the reaction would be if folks told the judges that they can’t be objective, that they will be too biased against the state to convict anyone given the states unconstitutional actions. I know that will be my position, because I truly can’t vote to convict anyone of anything here. Can’t wait for my youngest to hit 18 so I can get out of this third world sh*** hole governed by the insane and senile.

  15. thebronze says:

    The Taurus Judge is already “banned” in Kali. It isn’t on the approved roster list, thus “banned”.

  16. Treker says:

    When traveling through California I will hide my firearms inside a bale of Marijuana driven by a carload of illegal aliens .

  17. Klingonwork says:

    I agree with your styrgwillidar…however…I have also considered making a statement, or the news, by admitting bigotry against the state because of the 2nd ammen issue but that will get me/us is noticed.

    With this contry on the precipice of civil war again, those of us willing to be the 3% MUST stay unnoticed and obscure. Now is the time to stay off any and all radar. Joining ANY organization which could be perceived as right-wing or pro-gun where your name is written down should be avoided at all costs as one of the greatest tactics is surprise. I’ll go to jury duty and keep my opinions and prejudices concealed and private.

    I still say the Rubicon HAS been crossed:
    a. Confiscation laws
    b. NDAA – Indefinite detainment w/o trial or lawyer
    c. Drones over cities, Feds offering drones over cities
    d. Last election, thousands of precincts report not a single Romney vote…statistically impossible.
    e. Posse Comitatis…commonly accepted meaning brushed aside
    f. Obama admistrtion refuses to divulge legal reasons for ordering of killing Americans home or abroad

    We must start getting ready and organizing, those whom we consider to be trained professionals mistake a 71 yr old woman for a 6′ 270lb black man, shoot her in the back…twice…with NO warning.

    Tensions are going continue to rise unabated.

    My nephew is SWAT looking for Mr. Dorner in that area, texted us…all resources being used…for 1 guy. Imagine thousands upon thousands of legal gun owners resisting (my nephew says he’ll resign if given order to confiscate, he takes Constitution seriously).

    As I’ve been saying, this all awaits a trigger event.

    Molon Labe

    • Comrade X says:

      In places like CA or NY(or any other blue city or state) patriots must realize that they live behind enemy lines and we must live and think accordingly, realize you have friends where you may not expect it just as you have enemies where you think you don’t! Trust can only be based on real actions and not words, IMHO.

      Plan and prepare, how things will progress nobody really knows, we all want to live in peace, but there will be a time to stand just as there are times to stand down.

      Death before slavery!

    • Henry Bowman says:

      Hate ta tell ya this, Klingonwork, but if you ever put anything up on the internet, like your post here? Or if you ever said anything similar in a phone call? Or if you ever said any of hundreds of keywords in either means of communication in the last 10+ years? (Some say MUCH longer.)

      They know who you are already.

      The only ones of us who are “gray men” are those who have truly been quiet. Think about that and plan accordingly, my friend.

      • Phoenix says:

        Too many people speaking their mind for that to matter anymore…

        The internet has gone “nuts” in the past 4-5 months

        They know roughly 50% have had enough shit.

        Check out any conservative site and read the comments, better start building more FEMA camps, way more.

  18. A says:

    The gun grabbers are using the legal system very effectively – they will try to make all of us felons for one crime or another as they did Nathan Haddad. Once you are a convicted felon you will not only be unable to vote, but you will not be able to hold a firearm…and second time around they lock you up a lot longer.

    While I think we need to keep up with the lobbying and letter writing – they are trying to overwhelm the NRA/GOA/et al just as the NAZIs did at Bastogne except this time it’s a legal blitzkrieg – the fact is, if we don’t stop them now, then what?

    One answer is to fall back to another state like Texas, Wyoming, Montana or Idaho…regroup, plan prepare.

    Otherwise, well, be careful what you wish for….and I am talking to them because I am convinced they are the ones spoiling for a fight. They are insane, power hungry sociopaths who want nothing but to rule people. They couldn’t rule the Arabs so instead they are going to rule the American people. It’s true. You can see it in their eyes when you deal with them.

    Godspeed all.

  19. Cole says:

    If Illinois fails to pass a conceal carry law by June then we’d have constitutional carry here in the Land of Lincoln. You’ll have a real ground zero when Rahm orders the police to arrest armed citizens.

    • Phoenix says:

      Look at all the Millions that Illinois has spent on lawsuits with the NRA the past couple years.

      Can you even imagine whats about to unfold in California?

  20. Comrade X says:

    Is it all about freedom?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vn7bkncf1_E

    Death before slavery!

  21. Jeff Hoser says:

    BTW, NJ just entered the NY/CA peeing contest. Just how one – if not the most -hoplophobic states on the continent is going to “ramp up” its universal prohibition with carefully defined “exceptions” ought to be interesting. Recall NJ has a law on the books requiring all handguns have “authorized user” if even one manufacturer creates one. Its even spent bundles of taxpayer cash to finance research. >JH

  22. Bill Harzia says:

    What kind of compliance do they think they’re going to get? DOJ got approx. 27,000 so-called “assault weapons” registrations out of an estimated 500,000 to 1 million so-called “assault weapons” within the state’s boundaries.

    How are they going to pay for all these new enforcement personnel? The state is bankrupt, even if they won’t admit it. How are they going to fund all the public defenders, court reporters, bailiffs, etc. to process these cases through the court system? If they deny bail, how are they going to pay for the jail guards, extra cells, etc. while they are awaiting trial? Are they going to starve all of those new prisoners to death? Where will they get food and water for them? Or will they just dig holes in the ground out in Death Valley?

    They want to take our guns. What they may get is the financial collapse of the state, instead.

  23. bastiches says:

    “Bill Harzia says:
    February 10, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    How are they going to pay for all these new enforcement personnel? The state is bankrupt, even if they won’t admit it. How are they going to fund all the public defenders, court reporters, bailiffs, etc. to process these cases through the court system?”

    By seizing the assets of offenders. Next question?

    • Phoenix says:

      And every step they take will ramp it up even more….

      They can’t even find “one guy”, now they got the drones after him. Million dollar price tag on his head.

      Kabuki Theater, I think they’re showing their hand.

  24. Veritas says:

    I’m just waiting for the Reichstag fire and the enabling acts. Each people gets the government it deserves.

    This country is beyond salvation. Its time to start again and admit it was a bad mistake. Let the progressives go their way and Americans go their own way.

  25. Comrade X says:

    For those in Colorado:

    “In addition to the national battle to protect our firearms rights, many states are currently engaged in their own fights. Here in CO, a state with a strong heritage of firearm and other personal freedoms, we are facing some extreme challenges to firearms rights. We have been engaged in dialogue with legislators here presenting our arguments to stop legislation from even being introduced, but our efforts did not deter those of extreme views.

    After the NRAs visit last week, several anti-freedom bills were introduced by CO legislators, and a very aggressive timeline has been set forth in moving these bills forward…..

    https://www.facebook.com/magpul

    For those in Washington state;

    Washington State “Republican” Representative Mike Hope has signed on as a primary sponsor of a gun control bill in the Washington State Legislature. Shocked? So was I. At first I didn’t believe it, so I went to the Washington State Legislature’s website and looked at the bill, and there it was, plain as day under the list of primary sponsors, Representative Mike Hope.

    This bill, HB 1588, makes it illegal for a private citizen to sell a legal firearm. Well, illegal unless you get permission from the local police department or county sheriff….

    http://www.redstate.com/rcstrang/2013/02/10/with-republicans-like-this-who-needs-democrats/

    Death before slavery!

  26. Parker says:

    Revisited the thread… when it comes down to dust, go silent, go solo. Find out where the enemies live, find out their routines. Burn them down. Molotov cocktails are cheap and simple. Find a place to take them out silently. Forget about firepower versus firepower. Go lo low tech. A blade or a bludgeon, or a taser, use a revolver, Leave no evidence behind. Target them one by one. Act solo and keep your mouth shut.

    • Bad Attitude says:

      “go silent, go solo.” I’m with you Parker. You offer a great summary of the correct way to fight. The name of the game is maximum hurt to your foe, and living to do the same later the same day. Don’t forget the bolt cutters. An electrical switch yard offers the opportunity to place a target area (such as a gated community) in darkness. If I had the choice of two tools, it would be my KaBar and my bolt cutters.