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Leftist terrorist cop Christopher Dorner beleived killed after gun battle, fire

Written By: Bob - Feb• 12•13

Rogue LAPD cop Christopher Dorner apparently committed suicide after he was surrounded by police:

The dramatic manhunt for fugitive ex-LAPD cop Christopher Dorner, who killed at least four people, apparently ended when the rural California cabin he holed up in went up in flames, with ammunition exploding in the inferno and smoke billowing up into the mountain air.

A source told the Associated Press that a charred body was found in rubble of the cabin.  Sources told KTTV that the body appeared to be Dorner, but there was no official confirmation.

Dorner, who hours earlier had killed one San Bernardino sheriff’s deputy and wounded another before barricading himself in the cabin, in the San Bernardino mountains, was believed to be inside. Dorner, who vowed not to be taken alive, had been surrounded inside the cabin since early Tuesday afternoon. It was not clear who set the fire in the Big Bear community where Dorner apparently has been hiding since sometime last week.

Listening to the police scanners, is seemed rather obvious to me that the fire was intentionally set by authorities in an effort to smoke Dorner out of the cabin. They did the right thing.

Update: LAPD is holding a press conference, and says the cabin is still too hot to enter, no body has been recovered. Nice job of jumping the gun by claiming a body has been found when that isn’t the case, Associated Press.

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48 Comments

  1. Alan says:

    In what universe is committing arson doing the right thing? That was some innocent third party’s property that the state decided to destroy.

    • Bob says:

      In any sane universe where the person inside that structure just murdered one cop, had injured another, and was hoping to make other LEO kids into orphans. If you place the value of a home over human life, you need your fucking head examined.

      • Alan says:

        So instead of capturing criminals now, we’ll just set fire to whatever structure they’re in and wait for the smoke to clear?

        “The value of a home over a human life” is a false choice. The home didn’t belong to the police and it was not theirs to burn at will.

        Why are you so quick to give up property rights or due process just because someone killed a cop? Are you really that eager to ring in the police state?

      • Mudlark says:

        Alan you need to seek help.

    • Veritas says:

      Too bad the four people he murdered can’t confirm your opinion. In what universe do you reside? Somewhere in the Twilight Zone I’d wager.

      • Jeff Grey says:

        e was never convicted of those crime- just accused. When the police become the executioners of those who have not been justly convicted- then there is no USA left to be a citizen of.

  2. Alan says:

    In what universe is committing arson doing the right thing? That was some innocent third party’s property that the state decided to destroy.

    Not the right thing at all.

  3. Mike says:

    No doubt this guy was a piece of garbage, not defending him or his actions. I do take issue with the following statement.
    “Listening to the police scanners, is seemed rather obvious to me that the fire was intentionally set by authorities in an effort to smoke Dorner out of the cabin. They did the right thing.”
    If they had him surrounded and contained then it was not the right thing to do. Obviously police have the duty and right to self defense but in the absence of that they have a duty to see every suspect has their day in court.
    The rational to go on the offense in a case where there are no hostages in a very rural setting should be debated. Finally, if you are okay with them smoking them out why not be okay with the drone strike. It is the same result as many times both end in death without a trial and the chance to shed some light on a very sad situation. Sad for his victims but also at the chance to shed some light on what led to this and how to prevent it.
    We may never now if he set the fire or he was “smoked out.” I guess will just put that same question with the Waco Incident and forget.
    This time he was a leftist murderer but tomorrow when he is a conservative defending his right to bear arms will we all be okay with a siege ending in being smoked out and burned alive. We should never be okay with a less restrictive ROE at home then overseas. Tread carefully.

    • John says:

      Agreed and well stated. We are supposed to be a nation of laws. These types of actions are not one I want to see become the norm in my country.

      I disagree with you on this one Bob.

    • Jake says:

      If they had him surrounded and contained then it was not the right thing to do. Obviously police have the duty and right to self defense but in the absence of that they have a duty to see every suspect has their day in court.

      This. 1000 times this. He was contained in a rural structure with no hostages involved. Starve him out. If he comes out shooting, then the police are justified in shooting back. If he’s shooting out of the building, then the police are justified in shooting back. Otherwise, he has the Right to surrender peacefully at any time, to submit himself to due process.

      There’s a very specific term for setting fire to a structure when someone is inside. It’s called murder.

      But let’s face it, we all know they never intended to take him alive, and were quite willing to murder him if he didn’t give them a legitimate excuse. LAPD proved that quite well when they started shooting at random pickups.

      • louielouie says:

        agreed.
        however, it was the san bernadino police that cornered him. as well as a game warden.
        yes, i know, potato patauto.

  4. Cole says:

    Agree with Bob. This scum bag was creating casualties. No more people needed to die. One would hope the property owners are compensated but a house is a fair trade for lives. Dorner was danger to everyone. Cabins can be rebuilt. And this all assumes the police set the fire not Dorner. The guy was a lunatic. I wouldn’t be surprised if he took the phrase “going out in a blaze of glory” literally. Either way I hope he’s dead.

    • Chuck says:

      I agree that he was a scumbag and deserved to die. There are plenty of people in this country that deserve to die, but there’s this little thing called due process. This was nothing more than an execution.

      • Cole says:

        You lose your right to due process when you’re actively trying to kill people. He was firing at the police so they had every right to waste the scumbag. Someone breaks in your house swinging a machete at you are you going to be concerned about the his due process or are you going to shoot him?

    • louielouie says:

      you don’t have to scratch the surface very far to find out the property owner was working with the SBPD during all of this. this was not an isolated cabin. there were ten of these cabins out there. the owner has the right of redress to the city of san bernadino. as it is california, he no doubt has insurance out the wahzoo.

  5. angrymike says:

    What if, name redacted, set fire too the cabin and snuck out during the fire, this guy seemed pretty smart. It would take weeks to find out if any body recovered was that of , name redacted, . Hmmm, wouldn’t matter,LEO would say it was him anyway……….

    • Cole says:

      Some LEO was on TV saying that the heat of the fire forces the fists to close preserving the fingerprints. If that’s the case his prints are on file so we should have verification quickly. And it wouldn’t look good for them to declare Dorner only to have him start his killing spree again. This guy isn’t living out his days in Mexico sipping pina coladas. The LAPD wouldn’t expose themselves to that legal liability.

  6. McThag says:

    Gee, you’d think that cops would work hard to avoid situations that create similarities to Waco…

  7. Bill says:

    A fitting end.

  8. Declan says:

    They should have taken him alive so they can throw the book at him and maybe tried him for domestic terrorism! In this day and age, with all the assets of the state and federal government, one single man holed up inside a wooden structure can easily be captured.

    I don’t think they wanted Dorner to talk, plain and simple. He was a dead man walking as can be seen from the cases where the cops tried to execute the occupants of vehicles that MIGHT have been him, on the street….

    • Bob says:

      I tell you what, slick: when you’re willing to be the first man through the door to take on a guy that already killed four, then you can tell others how to do it.

      • Declan says:

        1. That’s their job and 2. There are many other ways to capture one single guy who when you have 100s of armed ppl surrounding him and all the assets of the state at your disposal.

        This was no law enforcement, justice seeking operation; it was a revenge killing. Maybe you’re ok with that but most ppl see it for the slippery slope that it is.

  9. steve says:

    Anybody who was listening to the scanner from the San Bernandino Department yesterday knows.. The officers on scene were clearly heard saying they were going through with the plan to burn and we’re also heard delaying the arrival of fire crews who were stage at the bottom of the hill. The good law enforcement supporting person that I am says they absolutely did the right thing. But the good American in me that absolutely despises mass media and cover ups says that they should not get away with covering it up. Ethical conundrum….lol.

  10. Survival Skvez says:

    What happened to innocient until proven guilty?
    Until he’s had his day in court he’s only “suspected of having killed four people and injured two more”.
    You all seem a little too keen for the police to kill suspects.

  11. Chris Watson says:

    I was actually concerned he’d be the first US Civilian killed by a Hellfire missile domestically. Glad I was wrong.

  12. Marty says:

    Since when has “burn him out” become part of the method of engagement for SWAT forces?

    Single house, rural area, surrounded by cops, no hostages. Wait him out. No one needs to be the “first in the door”. A lot more money has been expended on other individuals in order to ensure due process.

    The guy was a left-wing whack-job that needed killin’ – AFTER due process.

    The burn was a quick end to all their problems. No one on LAPD wanted this guy taken alive. That’s scary.

    • Bill says:

      You kill or shoot at a cop, there’s a very high likelihood you’ll die before they can arrest you, or while being transported after an arrest or conviction.

      Curse out a judge and be particularly difficult with the court system there’s an excellent chance you’ll fall down some staris.

  13. Scott B says:

    It’s clear from the time this story broke that ‘law enforcement’ had no intention of letting this guy live. They even opened fire on two women delivering papers and a surfer dude, trying to get lucky, I guess? Just who was terrorizing the public here?
    They had no way of knowing who else might have been in the cabin when they set it ablaze. Any evidence was also conveniently destroyed in the inferno. I don’t care what you say; this is NOT right.
    Dorner is dead; the real terrorists remain at large.

  14. Deliberately burning a surrounded suspect alive is murder.
    There was absolutely no presumption of innocent until proven guilty, no chance at a day in court as prescribed by law.
    He was contained.
    They could have waited it out.
    They chose the expedient solution – burn him alive a la Waco.
    In fact, I have seen absolutely NO proof that Mr. Dorner wrote the purported “manifesto,” OR that he actually committed the crimes attributed to him.
    If he did, he should have been punished in accordance with the law, not willfully subjected to a summary execution by arson by cops.
    He was surrounded with no possibility of escape.
    The scanner tapes are damning. They INTENDED to burn him alive.
    The cases of innocents, including two elderly white women delivering newspapers who the police TRIED to summarily execute, and at least one other similar incident, clearly show that the police had NO intention of capturing him. They were intent on killing him on sight and damn the collateral damage.
    Had they had the opportunity, is there any real doubt that they would have blasted him with a hellfire missile from a predator drone in the middle of rush hour traffic on the San Bernardino freeway?
    “Law enforcement” in this country have, in too many cases, become little more than a band of highly militarized armed thugs who believe they can use any means at their disposal, no matter how reprehensible.
    All over this country, there are increasingly frequent cases of excessive use of force – in many cases against people who are totally innocent of any wrongdoing – where people (and their families) are brutalized or killed, their pets are killed unnecessarily (it appears that shooting people’s dogs is viewed as virtually SOP), and other injustices which turn the idea that policemen are our friends on its head.
    I am not defending any bad acts that Dorner MAY have committed.
    I AM condemning the tactics and bad acts of those who are sworn to uphold the law, yet obviously believe they are above it.

    • Phoenix says:

      Exactly….and every single person I know feels this same way.

      The liberal media painted a picture of Dormer that they wanted us to see. How many other gun related incidents have happened that ended up being obvious “false flags” after further evidence came to light.

      I don’t trust this Government and their lapdog media one bit.

      How many times do people have to fall for this BS?

  15. UncleZeb says:

    When this first broke yesterday afternoon, I told everyone that a fire would break out and be blamed on a tear gas canister. Happened with the SLA and Waco. Probably been other cases that were less high profile.

  16. TomcatTCH says:

    I think I got memory holed. Coming to a police state near you?

  17. Gus G says:

    I read this blog almost daily, and I normally agree with most of Bob’s ideas. I do not, however, agree that the propper way to deal with a criminal SUSPECT is to burn him out of the place he’s holed up in. As others have noted, he was surrounded, had no hostages, and, barring some amazingly incompetent police work, was not going anywhere (nor hurting anyone else at that point). Where was the urgency to get him to come out?

    This guy was no doubt a scumbag, but everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not by a bunch of cops seeking revenge. If we do not stand up for the rights of people like Dorner, who will stand up for ours when they come for our guns?

    • Phoenix says:

      Hell, they’ve already vilified gun owners along with preppers, patriots, constitutionalists, conservatives….basically anything not liberal.

      These liberals are fukin nuts.

      You think for one minute they wouldn’t use the same damn tactics on us in a SHTF situation?

      You’d have to be a retard…..

  18. Bob, I hope you know I hold you in the highest regard, but I have to agree with other commenters here that trying to burn Dorner out of the house (that was surrounded) was the exact wrong thing to do.

    Just like at Waco. Remember the surviving Branch Davidians were found Not Guilty ofthe charges that were leveled.

    In fact, I have no doubt that even if Dorner had contemplated giving up, the LAPD had no intention of letting him live, by whatever means. God help us.

  19. Billy Colman says:

    What if he holed up in a fireproof, waterproof, safe house? Is a missile strike justified? With no trial or due process? During the siege they repeatedly said they did not know where Dorner was or if he was the individual in the building. So how is burning him alive justified?? These SWAT teams tool up like they are going to war so they can bust in on zoned out dopers and shoot peoples pets. When a situation arises that calls their training and gear into use they are chicken $hits. You go in first if it’s the job you signed up for. If you cannot perform it resign and go home and hug your kids and put your wife to work. Bob, believe it: you are on a list of people that will get the same treatment when the time comes to defend yourself.

  20. Joe Mama says:

    “If you think that couldn’t or wouldn’t happen here, I direct you to the complaints department led by the ghost of Vickie Weaver and the children that burned to death in the Branch Davidian compound in Waco under the last Democrat President, who was far less radical and divisive that the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.”

    Sound familiar Bob? It should, you wrote it.

    • Mudlark says:

      Joe;

      Clearly if you believe Vicky Weaver and the victims of Waco are equal in stature to Donner in terms of innocence then you need a refresher course in justice and morality.

  21. I disagree with Bob.

    The decision to burn him appears pre-meditated. While the burn was going on, LE was pouring automatic weapons fire into the smoke, so even if he decided he was going to surrender once the fire was set that was not an option.

    Consider that when the fire was set, the police had established an inner and outer cordon with at least a mechanized infantry company worth of assets plus air support. Dorner was not going anywhere. Normally, with a barricaded suspect, the LE SOP is to order up some coffee and sandwiches and wait while the overtime clock ticks. Even the ROE in Afghanistan preclude demolishing a structure, even one the Taliban are using to put effective fire on friendlies, unless the on-scene commander knows with high confidence that there are no civilians inside or there is no other option.

    By burning the house down, the Cali cops:
    1) Sentenced any hostages inside to death. The cops didn’t even know there was a basement until after they set the fire, so I don’t know how they eliminated the possibility of hostages being present.
    2) Sentenced any innocents inside, such as a homeowner or maid hiding in a closet, to death.
    3) Ensured all evidence on the perp would be destroyed, precluding sensitive site exploitation. It would really suck if Dorner had left behind some booby traps, or had tied up a hostage somewhere, and the police destroyed any clues necessary to find the traps/hostage, wouldn’t it?

    There was no need to demolish the structure. There was also no need to breach immediately. I see no reason why they couldn’t firm up the perimeter with their armored vehicles, send in a robot with a phone, and wait for Dorner’s wounds to stiffen up while munching on Chinese takeout and earning overtime.

    • Bob says:

      Chris, you’re confusing two separate incidents.

      The large exchange of automatic fire occurred when Dorner popped a white smoke grenade and attempted to fight his way out of the cabin. There was no fire from the SBSO when the Bobcat breached the structure that I could hear.

      The SBSO then used regular tear gas to no effect. No shots fired by either side.

      The next and final shot occurred when Dorner (presumably) committed suicide after the CS grenades were tossed into the front of the structure. The SBSO had left the rear as an avenue for his retreat and surrender. He rather obviously chose to kill himself instead.

      • Jake says:

        If he wasn’t shooting at them, why burn the building down? He was contained, and with that many cops surrounding the place he wasn’t going anywhere, so why not settle down with some take out and let him starve?