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	<title>Comments on: SAF win confirmed: Illinois has just months to create concealed carry laws, or defaults to constitutional carry</title>
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		<title>By: blindside</title>
		<link>http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/saf-win-confirmed-illinois-has-just-months-to-create-concealed-carry-laws-or-defaults-to-constitutional-carry/comment-page-1/#comment-60073</link>
		<dc:creator>blindside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 20:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Our ROE’s (Rules of Engagement) and trainng are meant for WAR. Our troops are not trained to do civilian policing. And while we could be, that kind of “eye” and experience in dealing with street criminals takes YEARS to develop – as many cops can attest.

Putting us out there, not for a natural disaster like Katrina, but for general purpose “our city is unsafe” use puts our military in a very very bad position.&quot;

That is the intent.  It is a feature, not a bug.

I am curious why the 180 day delay. If the state is violating the civil rights of it&#039;s citizens, then relief should be immediate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our ROE’s (Rules of Engagement) and trainng are meant for WAR. Our troops are not trained to do civilian policing. And while we could be, that kind of “eye” and experience in dealing with street criminals takes YEARS to develop – as many cops can attest.</p>
<p>Putting us out there, not for a natural disaster like Katrina, but for general purpose “our city is unsafe” use puts our military in a very very bad position.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the intent.  It is a feature, not a bug.</p>
<p>I am curious why the 180 day delay. If the state is violating the civil rights of it&#8217;s citizens, then relief should be immediate.</p>
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		<title>By: Concealed Carry Pro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concealed Carry Pro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So many of us just want to understand why concealed carry is prohibited in ONE state? I&#039;m sure you Dems have seen the stats. Concealed carry is proven to deter crime, and Chicago has one of the highest crime rates in the entire country. What IS the objection? I agree people who want to carry concealed should be properly trained, so add that to the bill and get it passed. Your state can&#039;t afford to have the criminals thinking it&#039;s a good place to roost anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many of us just want to understand why concealed carry is prohibited in ONE state? I&#8217;m sure you Dems have seen the stats. Concealed carry is proven to deter crime, and Chicago has one of the highest crime rates in the entire country. What IS the objection? I agree people who want to carry concealed should be properly trained, so add that to the bill and get it passed. Your state can&#8217;t afford to have the criminals thinking it&#8217;s a good place to roost anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: theBuckWheat</title>
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		<dc:creator>theBuckWheat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great news, but as was famously said, &quot;don&#039;t get cocky kid&quot;.  Whatever the Republicans force the Dems to accept will have to survive future attempts to repeal and replace it.  

Florida&#039;s law is a good model.  Require some training in the law and a simple practical test.  Have a 5 year renewal period.  Here is the lesson that I learned while helping the Missouri group: set a fee that can accrue at least in part to the benefit of the LEO who has to do the work.  Set the amount he gets to be high enough so he can easily make a profit.  In Missouri, it was amazing to see how many LEOs quickly came to view the CCW permit as a profit center and found the customer easy to get along with as compared to a lot of their other &quot;customers&quot; from whom they get fees.   

Don&#039;t be afraid to set a $100 fee.  You can always  lower it later, that is after all the people who opposed CCW have a chance to be shown to be so very wrong in their prejudices.  The goal is to get CCW in place, all other preferences are secondary. 

As to carry restrictions, read Missouri&#039;s law very carefully and see what happens if a CCW permitee violates the prohibitions.  

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5710000107.htm

Notice section (2).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news, but as was famously said, &#8220;don&#8217;t get cocky kid&#8221;.  Whatever the Republicans force the Dems to accept will have to survive future attempts to repeal and replace it.  </p>
<p>Florida&#8217;s law is a good model.  Require some training in the law and a simple practical test.  Have a 5 year renewal period.  Here is the lesson that I learned while helping the Missouri group: set a fee that can accrue at least in part to the benefit of the LEO who has to do the work.  Set the amount he gets to be high enough so he can easily make a profit.  In Missouri, it was amazing to see how many LEOs quickly came to view the CCW permit as a profit center and found the customer easy to get along with as compared to a lot of their other &#8220;customers&#8221; from whom they get fees.   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be afraid to set a $100 fee.  You can always  lower it later, that is after all the people who opposed CCW have a chance to be shown to be so very wrong in their prejudices.  The goal is to get CCW in place, all other preferences are secondary. </p>
<p>As to carry restrictions, read Missouri&#8217;s law very carefully and see what happens if a CCW permitee violates the prohibitions.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5710000107.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5710000107.htm</a></p>
<p>Notice section (2).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; &quot;There is no way Illinois Democrats would let that happen, so it will be interesting to see how the minority Republicans choose to play the strong hand that they’ve been dealt.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

They are Republicans. Never underestimate the power of their stupidity or their instinct for feckless capitulation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> &#8220;There is no way Illinois Democrats would let that happen, so it will be interesting to see how the minority Republicans choose to play the strong hand that they’ve been dealt.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>They are Republicans. Never underestimate the power of their stupidity or their instinct for feckless capitulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The courts have already decided that the 2nd Amendment does extend to state laws, so good luck to them on that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The courts have already decided that the 2nd Amendment does extend to state laws, so good luck to them on that one.</p>
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