Bob Owens

The saddest truth in politics is that people get the leaders they deserve

It’s official: New York gun confiscation is on

Written By: Bob - Apr• 09•13

And so this is how it begins:  a man with no criminal record and no mental health issues is told by the state that he must turn in his legally-purchased arms to the state because they somehow accessed his medical records. Reader LC Scotty dropped this admission of tyranny into the comments of today’s earlier post:

The NYS SAFE Act is billed as a necessary law to protect the public and keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people.

But Hamburg attorney Jim Tresmond says his client was notified by letter that his gun permit was suspended upon the recommendation of State Police, who learned the man is on anti-anxiety medication.

“Claiming that he had taken some psychotropic medications, and that he no longer could be eligible for the pistol permit,” Tresmond said.

The permit holder lives in Amherst and Tresmond accompanied the man as he turned in his seven handguns used for target-shooting to Amherst Police.

“A law-abiding, honest, hard working professional, who never had one wit of scandal associated with him, criminal or otherwise. And they took his guns away,” Tresmond said.

Tresmond is one of the attorneys already suing the state over passage of the SAFE ACT, which at the time was the toughest gun control law in the country.

Tresmond says his client once took a prescribed medication for his anxiety but he is not mentally ill. The Amherst man ended his prescription use within the last year.

“He is a law-abiding citizen, no record. He is a stellar member of the community, I would say. Not an ex-felon. He is one of the nicest young men I have met in a long time,” Tresmond said.

Officials confirmed state law permits the suspension of a gun permit before the permit holder even gets a chance to state their case.

I’d suggest it is time for New Yorkers to take some time to pray this evening, and decide how much more tyranny they are willing to take.

How does that musty old document Cuomo and Bloomberg hate so much go again?

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

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39 Comments

  1. AFIraqVet says:

    Interesting. Didn’t we just have a proglodyte in here blathering on and crowing “Nobody’s taking your guns away”…?

    • jugatsu says:

      My doctor here in Colorado claims that the gun grabbers not going to use that information to take our guns. I almost bust a gut laughing, but it is no laughing matter; she’s either woefully uninformed or in on the actions of the grabbers. I take a medication for slight depression and anxiety, and have taken several other meds for the same reasons in the past. She only needs to notify the stazi and then there’s gonna be a fight. But I’ll be portrayed as a lone gun nut and no help from my community will come to my defense. We are a gutless nation. We’ll let our kids go off to fight in the deserts for oil interests, but we will only lift our fingers to type at each other and our “representatives”, but not ever to take back what was once ours that has now been utterly usurped from us; the power of the people is officially DEAD. Good night America! Hello fascism and socialism! Sieg Heil, everyone!

  2. Versus says:

    These folks up there in Albany sure work fast. You might think they would choose some really hard cases instead of someone once prescribed “anti-anxiety” meds. That’s bound to include a plurality of the citizens of Manhattan, for certain!

    Just how many officers among the New York state police have been, or are now, prescribed anti-anxiety medications? It’s bound to be a substantial percentage!

    • figment says:

      >”anti-anxiety” meds.

      according to a doctor I just heard, this includes sleep aids (ambien) ritalin and adderall (ADHD which 9 million kids are on, so no guns for them, EVER) and benadryl which is used to in conjunction with some other drug – (it causes excessive drowsiness – hence brain-altering – “psycho-trophic” ) and a few OTC “drugs”.

  3. Cole says:

    The gun grabbers argument is that we let the medical community decide who is allowed to own guns. The gun grabbers have taken over the medical community.

  4. Bill says:

    And so it begins!

    • Steve D. says:

      I think Bill is right. “It” has begun. Or, in the words of Patrick Henry, who spoke before actual fighting occurred at Lexington and Concord:

      “It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace, but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north [New York, this time?] will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms!”

      Government is force. It is a gun to the face and the command, Obey or else. Liberals may pretend to hate guns, but they love it when guns are pointed at second-hand toward their opponents. They are among the most violent at heart in this country, and they are pushing us toward disaster.

  5. David says:

    And I thought Escape from New York was just the name of a movie.

    • 277Volt says:

      Don’t forget Escape From L.A.!

      Unfortunately the Libs that effed up California and can’t stand what they’ve done to their state are moving west and doing the same thing. Look at Colorado.

  6. Right_2_Bear says:

    Your kid wears a pro 2A/gun t-shirt to school – lose your guns. Ever been on depression meds? – lose your guns. Post an innocent family picture of your son holding a hunting rifle – the jack boots come kicking your door down w/o a search warrant. And Biden has the gall to call us law abiding citizens paranoid? I think Henry Bowman would be feeding the hogs by now.

  7. rumcrook™ says:

    at some point the state will demand someone turn in their guns,

    and they will tell them to come get them……

    • nhfieldrep says:

      And if that were to happen to me, that’s exactly what I would say after contacting my friends and the media. Let them see what it means to defend our rights and the 2nd Amendment.

  8. captainfish says:

    The client in the news piece should have stood firm. Hidden his guns and not turned them in. He should have made the cops come out in force and search his home. Make it a youtube event.

    Would anything have come of the event when a Child Protective Services agent came to the door of that one family demanding to see the guns, if the man and wife had not taken video of it all, or been on the phone with the attorney at that time?

    Much like the unconstitutional road blocks and searches, these need to get media attention.

  9. Junk Science Skeptic says:

    Any voters who have elected multiple Cuomos, and re-elected Bloomberg multiple times clearly qualify as mentally unstable and should therefore have their voting rights revoked, just as gun rights are currently being revoked.

    • T.Paine says:

      good point, however your idea would eliminate the democratic party in NY-not a bad idea. But what of the Repubs led by Dean Skelos that have proven they’re just as bad?

  10. louielouie says:

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html

    “The courts have consistently determined that the Second Amendment does not ensure each individual the right to bear arms,” the worksheet states. “The courts have never found a law regulating the private ownership of weapons unconstitutional.

  11. Kevin Kehoe says:

    That is funny cause I have told all the Police Organizations that I will have them bring lunch to quote a Well known speaker.

    He was a Coward, and as such paid the Price.

    They Did this in Suffolk to a guy whose Kid said something about going home to get is dad’s BB gun.

    SCPD collected all his pistols and when they bitched to the Local Forum about donations for LOL lawyers I was the Only one who told him to fuck off. No Money Unless of course he wanted to Raid yaphank.

    I got one sweet reply and for him I would risk it .
    But for all else on the LI forum,

    Plucking cowards.

  12. Wraith says:

    So…exactly WTF is the purpose of HIPPA, again? Seems like the only ones allowed to access your health info are exactly the people you DON’T want to have it.

  13. jim says:

    this is nothing new nor does it have anything to do with the safe act. this goes back to the sullivan laws from 1911. ny is a “may issue” state , not ” shall issue”. for years the state penal law has stated that a permit can be revoked without reason.

    11. License: revocation and suspension. The conviction of a licensee
    anywhere of a felony or serious offense shall operate as a revocation of
    the license. A license may be revoked or suspended as provided for in
    section 530.14 of the criminal procedure law or section eight hundred
    forty-two-a of the family court act. Except for a license issued
    pursuant to section 400.01 of this article, a license may be revoked and
    cancelled at any time in the city of New York, and in the counties of
    Nassau and Suffolk, by the licensing officer, and elsewhere than in the
    city of New York by any judge or justice of a court of record; a license
    issued pursuant to section 400.01 of this article may be revoked and
    cancelled at any time by the licensing officer or any judge or justice
    of a court of record. The official revoking a license shall give written
    notice thereof without unnecessary delay to the executive department,
    division of state police, Albany, and shall also notify immediately the
    duly constituted police authorities of the locality.

  14. jim says:

    why has the NRA NEVER taken on NY over the ” may issue” clause?

  15. jim says:

    ” may be revoked and
    cancelled at any time by the licensing officer or any judge or justice
    of a court of record.”

  16. mytralmann says:

    I was a hospital patient recently. There are no longer any written charts, no more doctor hand writing, none. Everything is in photon script. This electropage information gathering is also rapidly advancing into the doctor’s offices and of course all pharmacies are on line day and night. Sooner or later this kind of intrusion will get to the SC for a judgement of some kind but it will not matter. In the USA, the very idea of freedom is dissolving.

  17. alex says:

    This means that anyone that takes ambien for sleep will have their guns confiscated. Ambien is a psychotropic drug. Here’s a list of others:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychotropic_medications

    • Yuri says:

      Check out your list under “D”.
      Dextromethorphan is on the list. It’s been in the news as part of the cocktail that Trayvon Martin used to get high.

      It’s the “DM” in Robitussin DM.

  18. Real Deal says:

    This is testing the waters folks. They want to see if people will let this slide, if they do then you’ll see a whole lot more based upon meds people are taking.

    I personally have issues with all the meds people are taking “just to make it through the day”. They don’y call it “medical practice” for nothing, many of the meds they perscribe people they don’t know how it will affect them. It’s tossing crap against the wall and hoping something sticks. A medication that for 8 out of 10 people soothes anxiety cause the other two to be suicidial or homicidal.

  19. Yuri says:

    “a man with no criminal record and no mental health issues is told by the state that he must turn in his legally-purchased arms.”

    No. He DID have mental health issues. Otherwise, why was he prescribed, and why did he take, anti-anxiety medication?

    Anxiety IS a mental health issue. In fact, when it gets to the point that you see a doctor and take medication prescribed for it — it’s a mental illness. This man was mentally ill, even if he claims to be “all better now”.

    Why would someone with no mental illness be prescribed anti-anxiety medication?
    How long must one take psychotropic medications to be mentally ill?
    Are mental illnesses temporary?
    Do mental health issues just “go away”? How long do you have to wait for it to “go away” before you designate it as a mentally illness? One month? Two? A year? Two?

    How are you defining “mental health issues”? How do you define mental “illness”? Clearly you don’t define them the same way the state does.

    When does anxiety become a mental illness? (hint: it’s about the time you see a doctor and have meds prescribed)

    • AFIraqVet says:

      And you’re forgetting the fact that many medicines have more than one purpose. Several anti-anxiety meds are commonly prescribed for secondary reasons having nothing to do with mental health.

    • lineman says:

      So if a cop is on meds for stress, anxiety, trauma then should he be fired or is it alright for the gov. stooges to be doped up and still carry?

    • Rob Crawford says:

      Screw due process, eh, “yuri”?

      • Yuri says:

        Rob,
        Actually, no. He is a man, and is not currently in jail for commission of a crime. Therefore, he HAS a right to bear arms — regardless of the law, or his “mental issues”.
        The point is that he does have “mental issues”, and I find it odd that people who have assumed (to this point) that anyone with “mental issues” is — inevitably and by definition — the next Adam Lanza, now are realizing that this is not the case. And that the “commonsense” notion of keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, may end up infringing the GOD-GIVEN rights of a lot of decent, law-abiding, NON-DANGEROUS, and even patriotic people … like the guy in this article, your neighbor, your co-worker, your boss, your spouse, your old Army buddy, or the guy writing this comment.

        Ooops.

  20. Comrade X says:

    As another gentleman from NY once said:

    “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”
    – Alexander Hamilton

    Death before slavery!

  21. chief661 says:

    So exactly WTF do you do if you can’t afford an attorney to fight the Gestapo? Roll over and turn them in? This is how the mass disarming of law abiding citizens in America is going to happen. The guy who asked WTF does HIPPA protect is correct. I thought that information was protected by Doctor-Patient confidentiality? This is no longer America, it has morphed into a immoral, Godless police state.

  22. mytralmann says:

    anxiety meds are often given for short term reasons like grief. Their mere use is not a good sign post for true pathology. Yet, The commonest drugs prescribed in the US are for depression. Culling out these people alone would leave millions unarmed. These issues will go high up the court chain where gun owners may be surprised to find friends among the liberals. Orwell coined the term “thought crime” in 1948, only now it is coming into real existence in the USA. The question is will liberalism choose autocratic power, which someday they will pass on to their conservative enemies, or civil liberty. Hey, how about weed?

  23. chief661 says:

    Don’t talk to anyone and make off the cuff remarks that can be misinterpreted and don’t talk to you doctor about anything that can be misconstrued as a “threat to your self or others” or say goodbye guns and hello involuntary commitement. We have lost and are loosing more than gun rights we have lost freedom, period. I don’t recognize this country any longer. Take the advice a good lawyer once gave to a group of students: NEVER speak to the police and remember always, the police are NOT your friends. In spite of any protestations they make to the contray, their goal is to control people and to put someone away when they can prove a crime has been committed. More often than not, justice is not served.

    • citizen says:

      Agreed. I have to be bland and hide things from my doctor, a wonderful comment on the progressive disaster this society has become. This is no longer the America that I owe allegience to.

  24. Comrade X says:

    Find a solution like I did; a doctor who owns more guns than you do!

    Death before slavery!