Bob Owens

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The Boston Civil Rights Massacre

Written By: Bob - Apr• 23•13

You may already know my feelings on the subject, but I was surprised to see foreign press acknowledging the over-the-top police state tactics were used in the search for a single stoner terrorist.

The Daily Mail headline reads:

The controversial moment SWAT teams ordered innocent neighbors out of their houses at GUNPOINT during door-to-door searches for the Boston bomber

Fresh videos of this affront to liberty are popping up with regularity now. Here’s another one.

We’re supposed to accept this as the “new normal?”

Like Hell.

The Daily Mail shows just some of the photos of Watertown citizens being forces from their homes, but missed the cop in a armored vehicle’s gun turret pointing a rifle at a citizen that dared photograph their thuggish actions.

Documenting police state tactics with an iPhone camera warrants a response with a deadly weapon from the thug in the gun turret.

Documenting police state tactics with an iPhone camera warrants a response with a deadly weapon.

None of these goons will be reprimanded for their behavior, and it will happen again.

Police commanders will be given a pep talk before their next armed incursion against the citizenry, telling their rank-and-file officers that pointing guns in the faces of children is protecting them, and most of these cops will chose to believe it, all of whom consider themselves “protectors.” It’s easier for them to “go along to get along” than admit they’re becoming the execution arm of the state’s brute force mentality.

Here’s how they rationalize it. In fact, some cops that post here already have.

It’s getting bad, folks, and faster than I ever expected.

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  1. Sea Monster says:

    How is that even legal? The cop pointing the gun is identifiable. Do the police not have to live by any rules at all?

    • Mike Gregory says:

      They live by the simple rule of: “one pig lies and another swears to it”. There are so few good, honest, police officers that there is NO WAY they could influence their peers. Pigs on a power trip are a bad thing. Politician pigs are even worse.

      I know that these same tactics will be used all the way down the food chain. They have nothing else. It will continue until they are standing outside some random senior citizen’s home claiming that he’s the enemy. That scenario will end badly.

      It’s real easy to have big balls when you know you have 100’s of cops after one guy. It’s another whole story to come out here into the woods and not know when you are in range or how many of us there are. The clown pointing his weapon at a non-threat would have lived only a few short seconds more. Come in peace and leave Bubba Land alive. Come with an agenda and be prepared to pay for it.

      The cover details will clean house from afar (ever play whack-a-mole?)

  2. lineman says:

    Oh but the person might of had a gun in there hand so let strike first and point one at them just in case. Who cares what they might feel I felt safe doing it so that justifies it…Notice that its only pro law enforcement that’s condoning these actions…I bet there were quite a few oath keepers doing illegal searches…By the time they wake up we will be in a police state so wouldn’t count on them for anything…If they can’t even resist doing the little things how are they going to resist the big ones…

  3. Cole says:

    “Each time they’d rescue a family at the point of a gun.”

    How Orwellian. The police doing this is horrible. Worse? That it appears no one objected. The residents were compliant and pacified. They would have willingly walked right into the cattle cars and be shuffled off to death camps. No one fought back. Refused to open their door. Told the police “no”. Hell, the woman at the end of the above video is happy they’re doing there job. Even if we win a war against a tyrannical government in a second War of Independence how do we set up or restore a Republic with a population so willing to be slaves?

    • Roger U says:

      “Even if we win a war against a tyrannical government in a second War of Independence how do we set up or restore a Republic with a population so willing to be slaves?”

      That’s the 64 thousand dollar question! If you have a collectivist culture, how do create any government except a collectivist government?

      • Kevin J Kehoe says:

        I think a large amount of folks will be dead so worry about that later

      • Right_2_Bear says:

        In that situation the collectivists will learn very quickly about survival of the fittest. Many won’t make it as they have never worked a day in their lives except to line up for some government freebie. They will slaughter each other for scraps – sort of a self-extermination kind of thing. It won’t be pretty.

  4. Comrade X says:

    No knock, taking property without convictions, we have been headed down this road for a while now. Drones and cameras everywhere, is A-OK in the eyes of many. Telling us what to buy, outlawing choices of light bulbs, toilets or even the size of a soft drink. Taking away our water rights but then taxing us for rain. Government is out of control, is there any limitations today to what government can do when they call it a so called emergency?

    So we got to have a preview of what is coming soon, a complete police state if we don’t draw a line in the sand (dirt, water or air) soon. Where’s your line? My is concerning guns & my home’s threshold.

    However the propped up nanny state is getting ready to fall and lines won’t matter as much after but what will matter is who is in the fox hole with you. Methinks that is the most important choice we now have to make as we wait.

    Death before slavery!

  5. Mr Wolf, non-ESQ says:

    Ok- does that say ‘Military Police’ over the rear fender? Or is that the city name?

    If that says ‘military police’ then we likely have a Posse Comitatus violation here.

    Shit just got real…

    • Cole says:

      Good catch. It does appear to say military police. However, I believe the National Guard was called out for the search.

      • Mr Wolf, non-ESQ says:

        That does not matter. Where is it that the Gov ordered them to do so? He has that ability, but, without declaration of martial law, he is VERY limited on what they can do. I do not recall that being stated in reports from Mass. that he had done so. That is a huge overstep, or they are hiding a ton more info (duh).

        I worked at USNORTHCOM for 6 years- this is beyond the pale. Who wants ANYONE pointing guns in innocents houses like this? Why is this being permitted?

      • Cole says:

        You can search for news articles. The National Guard was involved in the search. And the only way they would be there is if the Governor or Obama ordered them to.

        No one likes guns pointed at them. But that isn’t the point you made. You spoke about legal violations. There’s a lot of lee way in using the Guard for terror attacks. And this was a manhunt for a terrorist. I’m no lawyer but I don’t see a government judge ruling against the government on this one.
        Besides this is common. They called out the Guard for Rambo, John J. back in the 80’s.

    • Real Deal says:

      Actually if you look at the older post by Bob one of those videos has a guy in a vest that says Military Police. Its the one where the usher the news crews off. Rather chunky dude with a ‘stache IIRC.

    • Chuck says:

      No, the guy in the HMMWV pointing the rifle is a cop. The vehicle is on loan from the Guard, possibly even driven by a Guard soldier, but the goon in the turret is a cop.

      The Guard was involved in this cluster but not in the gun-pointing, home-invading part of it. They generally provide manpower for the shit jobs so the cops can play Rambo door-kicker.

  6. Real Deal says:

    Also I have to ask the LEOs that visit the site (if they still do), where were the dogs?

    You ask why we find this suspect here’s why:

    1) Suspect fled on foot.
    2) Suspect was wounded and left blood trail.
    3) No dogs are seen, they would have been the best tool used to find a suspect fleeing on foot. Why weren’t they used? Nowhere do you see police employing dogs, just armored vehicles and heavily armed men pulling people out of their homes.

    • Chuck says:

      Good point, and one I haven’t seen raised elsewhere. I guess it’s just more fun to drag people out of their houses at gun point than it is to follow a blood trail to the bad guy. Hell, you could get shot doing that!

    • FYI, I was actively listening to the relevant police scanners over the cours of the week, and especially after the manhunt was on full speed, and the various LEOs were moving and relieving K9 units very actively and continually over that period. There were very regular updates on K9 unit status and needs.

      Of course, that’s merely a fact, and perhaps not of interest.

  7. Real Deal says:

    Why did they not use dogs to track the suspect from this point? Don’t tell me the entire city of Boston and surrounding areas don’t have dogs.

    Also can you imagine had something made a loud noise? These Gestapo look like they would have opened up on someone’s home with automatic weapons at the slightest provocation.

    • redc1c4 says:

      you can’t use dogs to track moose slime suspects: dogs are haram, and thus using them will offend is-slimeic sensibilities, and we can’t have that, now can we?

    • FYI, I was actively listening to the relevant police scanners over the course of the week, and especially after the manhunt was on full speed, and the various LEOs were moving and relieving K9 units very actively and continually over that period. There were very regular updates on K9 unit status and needs.

      Of course, that’s merely a fact, and perhaps not of interest.

  8. Treker says:

    If any of these Turtled Up bastards pointed a gun at me I would be inclined to return the favor . The mens testicles must drop off once you cross the Massachusetts state line . Why would any man put up with this shit ?

    • Real Deal says:

      And that would probably get you (and everyone in your house, since they’d hose it down with bullets) shot.

      I’m smart enough to know the differnce between stupid empty bravado and laying it on the line in defense of my rights.

    • Chuck says:

      After they shot the living hell out of your house, they would then proceed to burn it down around you. You need a better plan.

      • Treker says:

        Maybe I have lived too long, we used to live in a country that the government thugs would never try a trick like that .
        Do you know why you always find the most polite crowds at gun shows? Because your actions inside the show may have consequences in the parking lot .
        It’s no coincidence that in the early 1700s public civility and public dueling started at the exact same time.
        These guys should be fired for their actions . They are a disgrace to all Americans .

    • Dumb and crazy to resist. These dogs are LOOKING to shoot someone and the most minuscule excuse for them to open up will suffice. If it it all comes down, follow the bastards home and or have lists made of all the local LEO’s and end gene pools. That’s all. Simple enough. You can’t fight this machine head on but we could end them all quickly if we were committed.

      Look, I don’t want it to come to this but we peaceful, individual liberty loving folks are going to have to stand up once they start killing us which will be very soon.

  9. I don’t think we have a Posse violation, folks. The 772nd MP Co, MAARNG was on state active duty (i.e., called up by the Governor) in support of the Brookline PD for the Marathon. They then got chopped to Boston for the manhunt.

    I’ve seen the video this guy was shooting. The cops (no MP vehicle there at the time) were continually yelling at him to get away from the window. Guess they decided to get more in his face regarding that.

    Doesn’t take away from Bob’s point – but don’t make it more than it aleady is… just makes it easier for the other side to blow you off.

    • Real Deal says:

      The real question is why if said person was clearly visible and not armed did they not want people observing their actions from within their own homes?

      Perhaps so their violations would not come to light?

      • Cole says:

        1) In that amped up environment the cop can’t be sure isn’t armed and isn’t a threat. He won’t take kindly to being eyeballed. 2) The cops operate in a super litigious environment. They hate being filmed. 3) The jihadi joes loved to film their attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan. If he served recently he it may be an issue.

    • lineman says:

      How is making more of it is by saying we don’t like guns pointed in our face for no reason…I guess you consider filming them to be a justified action for pointing a gun at them…We don’t enemies with a friend like you…

      • By dragging Posse Comitatus into at and distracting from the point *you* were trying to make.

        That’s why.

        I’ll just shut up and go away now.

      • lineman says:

        No don’t shut up and go away…Your comment on the police telling him to get away from the window was why I was commenting on it..By bringing that up I thought maybe you agreed with what did..Sorry my bad…

    • Right_2_Bear says:

      This is why LEOs are becoming more and more despised. Photography and videography of police from public areas and from the photographer’s private home IS NOT A CRIME. Yet LEO’s continue to harass citizens and treat it as just that.

  10. redc1c4 says:

    if you don’t have a warrant, don’t bother coming to my door, no matter what the excuse is.

    i don’t care how you try and justify your fascist acts, you’re still a governmental thug and not welcome on my property. that’s why it’s posted “No Trespassing”.

  11. Kai says:

    How many idiots did the media have to interview before they found these? Kick in a door, drag you out. Oh, sorry. Like that makes it all better.

  12. david7134 says:

    I have been interviewed on TV and I can assure you that the segments are excessively edited. They will take a segement over and over until you say what they want, or they will not air what is your true seniment. Still, this is Boston and that is the heart of the Yankee and they are about nothing but taking and giving up to the government. I think that if this were in the South, they would have had a gun battle, at least I hope they would.

  13. Comrade X says:

    There may be a way to stop constitutional infringement by public officials (or at least to make them appreciate the cost of such an action) and it is via the law;

    Indiana First State to Allow Citizens to ‘Shoot Law Enforcement Officers’…

    Death before slavery!

  14. name withheld says:

    These boys had their asses tightened up good because if they didn’t they’d blow a load of diarrhea in there drawers. Having been there, done that and got out before I was too jaded, I can tell you that the rights violations go through the roof when people are scared. These boys would go in and hope to god they didn’t find him….

    Anyway the people of Massachusetts may be a lost cause. I cannot get my mind around the idea that they would let the cops walk all over them.

    This incident says a lot about mobility. All of these people who are so called preppers ought to take a good hard look at what is happening hear, and question if a big pile of preps would be secure if the .gov decided to come for you or them.

    On the other hand, some might have grabbed there “72 hour bug out bag” and hit the road…which is almost as bad since you are leaving everything wide open for terrorists or the agents anyway…. If someone thinks the need to bug out, the ought to move.

    • rwbarnes says:

      Bombing happened Monday, police state mobilizes Friday … after jerking themselves off for three days.

      Mobility my ass.

      If the bombers had any kind of planning skills or support, and weren’t just egotistical show-offs, they could have been out of the state and out of the country by Wednesday at the latest.

      As for preppers, three days is plenty of time to buy, or even make, burglar bars for all the first floor windows and to reinforce all the doors. Once the mall ninjas are rolling down the street, you close the drapes, keep quiet, and don’t answer the door.

      Let them try to kick the fuckin’ door in.

  15. Parrot Crap says:

    This was a great opportunity for a DHS experiment – See how the public reacts. Sorry to say, the Boston people rolled right over – therefore encouraging this sort of government behavior in other cities that will come very soon.

  16. Mr. Wolf says:

    Alright- i stand corrected on a couple of points mainly due to this regulation:

    Which is more scary to think about – this provision was not part of one I was aware of at the time I was at Northcom even.

    Basically, the Prez can authorize in-state mobe of the guard without governor consent. It was strengthened in 2008
    with another act, that added a 4th star to the guard chief.

    There are many new exemptions to the PCA (posse act) that are giving authority to the Pres… but some contradict each other.

    This point: The federal Posse Comitatus Act (PCA) does not apply if the Governor is the CinC.

    Now add this:

    Federal Aid for State Governments.
    Whenever an insurrection occurs in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States. This is a statutory exception to the PCA
    Use of Militia and Armed Forces to Enforce Federal Authority.
    Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, assemblages, or rebellion make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State. This is another statutory exception to the PCA
    Interference with State and Federal law.
    The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.
    Air and Army National Guard.
    Air and Army National Guard can specifically be called into Federal service in case of invasion, rebellion, or inability to execute Federal law with active forces.

  17. Chris says:

    How this would play out in SC…

    Knock knock

    Who is it?

    Sheriff, just making sure you are good and can defend yourself

    Yup, we are good

    Good to hear sir, carry on

  18. Phil says:

    Apparently,the cops need refresher from Jeff Cooper.

    • Bill says:

      I get the distinct impression that turret… cop was willing to destroy the cameraperson.

      • Right_2_Bear says:

        Yep. And he’s probably a Mall-Ninja-Tacticool type that mounts his ACOG on backwards. He ignored safety discipline deliberately and I bet his finger actually was on the trigger. The civie was lucky he didn’t get shot.

    • lineman says:

      No they want to destroy as long as they get a paycheck and go home at night they could give a damn about any civilian…

  19. Charlie Hargrave says:

    A sad day indeed.

    A portent of things to come.

    How could those folks have let this go on.

    You can come to my door and ask if I have seen the guy, but to take me out, hands raised and search my house!!!

    I dunno, maybe it is from being raised in the deep south, but I would never had opened the door #1. And certainly never allowed them to enter without a warrent.

  20. Icedog says:

    In regards to the “Where were the dogs?” questions…

    BPD does have 20 duel-certified patrol dogs (, but it is unknown if any are competent & certified in actual “tracking”. Tracking is often used as a generic term (even by some handlers) for a dog using his nose to locate a target, but it is a very specific term and specific ability.

    All patrol dogs can “scout”, which is picking up a target through sight, sound or airborne scent (a subject hiding in a KNOWN and specific building or field). However, “tracking” a suspect (ground scent) from a known location to an unknown location (think of bloodhounds in every prison-break movie you’ve ever seen) is a very specific ability that not all police and military patrol dogs are capable of performing – and it requires extensive training.

    I’d also add, even if the BPD does have tracking dogs, the cops on scene may have decided there was no time to wait for the K9 unit to arrive (the cops did not know the suspect had ‘holed-up’). …or they may have been a little overzealous and wanted to be a part of the “action” (I’m sure they were a little embarrassed and pissed about what had just happened in their city).

    Not excusing any actions in this case…just providing info.

    • Real Deal says:

      They do have rescue trained dogs right? Why couldn’t a dog trained to find a missing person be used to find the terrorist?

      In today’s world they have access to the resources of neighboring states (1000 mile radius) in a matter of a hours. You mean to tell me that they couldn’t have flown or driven a dog or two from a neighboring state?

      Sorry, but that dog don’t hunt IMO.

    • FYI, I was actively listening to the relevant police scanners over the cours of the week, and especially after the manhunt was on full speed, and the various LEOs were moving and relieving K9 units very actively and continually over that period. There were very regular updates on K9 unit status and needs.

      Of course, that’s merely a fact, and perhaps not of interest.

      • Chuck says:

        Seriously? You copy and paste the same comment in THREE TIMES (so far) in the same thread? WTF? How much is the Boston PD paying you to troll on these comment threads?

      • lineman says:

        Don’t try and reason with a troll…I already tried it just gets your blood pressure up and doesn’t change his way of thinking…Just let him go back in his cave…

  21. Joel C says:

    I do not doubt someone else has already said this, but I will not wait till I’ve read 49 posts to say it myself, nor do I care how repetitive this may be.

    I am galled, mortified, gobsmacked, and outrage at those pathetic creatures who said they were GLAD to be treated that way! It makes me feel dirty being a member of the same species as them.

    I hope THEY get lots more of it, the cowardly little sh*ts.


  22. chief661 says:

    The Police State has arrived in full force. Any excuse to play door kicker badass. I know the type; narcissistic, gun toting, badge wielding, steroid driven, union thug. These guys are the ultimate control freaks and adrenaline junkies. Their only goal is to go home unscathed, citizens rights don’t count. To them we just don’t matter. When they come for me I just hope I have the cahonnes to fight back and take at least a few with me. Mortem Ante Servitutem!

  23. Icedog says:

    It worries me to see bloggers and conservatives making comments about “taking out” LEOs or making broad and sweeping accusations that cops are all “ego-fueled maniacs”.

    Are there idiots carrying a badge? Of course (how many idiots work in your field?), and the large majority of departments eventually weed these types out.

    I’ve seen far too many articles and comments over the last four years by Americans thinking the military and LE community are suddenly going to turn into storm troopers and start confiscating weapons and killing citizens.

    I’ve been a military police officer for almost 27 years and I’ve worked with thousands of local, state and federal officers. I can assure you, 90% or more* are red-blooded Americans who share the same values as those posting here.

    We are not without blemishes, but the military and LE community have protected America and its citizens for almost 240 years – often with their very lives.

    How soon we forget.

    *I cannot speak for the political class of LE (elected or appointed)

    • Wraith says:

      I’ve seen far too many articles and comments over the last four years by Americans thinking the military and LE community are suddenly going to turn into storm troopers and start confiscating weapons and killing citizens.

      You ever hear the word “Katrina?”

      That was when the last of my trust in LEO’s to follow the Constitution and ‘share my values,’ totally went up in smoke.

      Sorry, Icedog…after NOLA, Canton OH, Temple TX and on and on and on, we don’t trust you any more. Your appeals to emotion fall on deaf ears, and your assertions are considered just more lies. Not just by thugs, sociopaths and gangbangers, but by everyday, law-abiding, taxpaying respectable Americans. You don’t have to like it, but there it is.

      Maybe you should give serious and open-minded consideration as to how and why things got to this point. Just a thought.

    • Real Deal says:

      Group think is a terrible thing Icedog, and as can be seen in New Orleans & Boston LEOs don’t seem to care much about violating people’s rights once they get the green light.

      If 90% are “red blooded Americans” why didn’t someone put the brakes on the conduct in Boston? Why didn’t someone say “Hey folks we’re violating these people’s rights, we’re doing this all wrong”?

      This is a good example of what Edmund Burke said, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” That is exactly how your 90% will be compromised, they will do nothing. They will follow orders to keep their jobs so they can feed and shelter their families. That sir is how one day LEOs and people like me will find themselves in each others sights.

    • Chuck says:

      If 90 percent share the same values as those posting here, did the “authorities” screen them out and only put the other 10 percent who DON’T share our values out on the street in Watertown to force people out of their homes at gunpoint?

    • Right_2_Bear says:

      It worries me to see bloggers and conservatives making comments…”

      It’s not just “conservatives”. This is one thing where both liberals and conservatives can agree. The police are out of control. They follow blindly unlawful orders with zeal, and the populous has little recourse but to obey.

      If a brave citizen resists an unlawful search or seizure they will get arrested, or if they somehow manage to stave that off – will die horrifically as their home is surrounded for days then burned to the ground.

      Respect is earned. Not by a slogan on a car door – but by deeds.

    • lineman says:

      Go to and have your 90% illusion shattered…Or go over to to see how it will really play out…I’m tired of the old excuse of most law enforcement are good guys…If that were the case Boston would not of happened the way it did and a whole lot of others…Why do we always have to defend are actions using facts when you can defend yours with what your opinions are…Then you wonder why we can’t stand thuggery..

    • lineman says:

      By the way we don’t forget that’s the reason why we are angry…We remember when they were peace officers respecting our rights and actually protecting the weak and helpless…Now they do the opposite and and oppress the weak and run scared from the strong…If you question that ask yourself why hasn’t the gang problem been taken care of..

    • JC says:

      This is nothing more than a “gratuitous assertion”: meaning that it is made without any meaningful substantiation, and is at best anecdotal. What is not anecdotal is the proliferation of police raids using “no-knock” warrants and military tactics on civilians. Time and time again “wrong address” raids lead to death and injury for people who just happen to be in the home at the time, including children. Just take a quick look at the Cato Institute’s policemisconduct website. Or HuffPo’s “Agitator”. The police are out of control. They are unable to address terrorism or gang activity. But they can assault and harass unarmed, unprepared civilians. The police have been oppressing America and her citizens for quite a few decades. Wake up.

  24. Neo says:

    I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see.”

    Did John Kerry just say that Muslims have “no belief system” ?

  25. Russell says:

    The foreign press agencies were shocked about the Boston P.D.’s use of violence?

    Based on this, I have a new theory. Liberals/statists believe that, when firearms are sufficiently controlled, all violence will cease; not just criminal violence.

    This is partly why the foreign press is stunned. The neighbors were effectively unarmed/defenseless. So, why did the police use weapons? You may begin using almost any form of logic you wish. In the end, they BPD used violence because they had guns (as the argument will conclude).

  26. Comrade X says:

    Seems like in Boston the choice has been made:

    Police & Military – Time to Choose…

    Death before slavery!

  27. chief661 says:

    Sorry icedog, no offense, but my experience working with LEO’s as a FF/EMT for many years evidenced a BIG change in the quality of the PD members on the street. The causes are many, but there are just way too many incidents of late that have become public knowledge and they increase daily. The Fullerton CA PD beating a homeless man so bad he died, another agency tazing and old women to force compliance, tazing an old man in his home in his bed because he didn’t want to go to the hospital, the list goes on and on. Follow some of the links others have provided. It has become known as “contempt of cop” if you don’t kiss their ass, or at least grovel sufficiently, or take too long opening the door; you will find yourself on, or in the ground. If you live they charge you with “resisting arrest”. Most of my conservative acquaintances and friends just want to be left the hell alone and we want the PD to respect and follow the Constitution PERIOD. Is that too much to ask a supposed law enforcement officer?? I’m old so I remember when they were called peace officers, and they could be counted on to diffuse a bad scene not escalate the tension.